Concern over anti-maori sentiment?

[C_T_Russell]

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/conce...sentiment/

Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.

All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?

Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.

T─ümaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.

So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.

The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us

Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?

[Lilith7]

Hobson's pledge, really?

https://tinyurl.com/y3j9mp4n

"New Zealand Maori Council calls HobsonÔÇÖs Pledges claims that they would accept an invitation for a hui LIES ÔÇô after the organisation declines mediation over Human Rights Commission complaint.
┬áExecutive Director of the New Zealand Maori Council, Matthew Tukaki, has said that Hobsons Pledge is nothing more than a ÔÇ£right wing political party intent on pushing an anti-Maori bashing causeÔÇØ.
Tukaki was speaking after being told that Hobsons Pledge had declined an offer by the New Zealand Human Rights Commission to mediate ÔÇ£this is what I have been saying all along ÔÇô this group slam Maori, target Maori all under this guise of one nation ÔÇô and yet when the rubber hits the road they are afraid to actually sit down with one of this nations oldest Maori representative organisations to hui, to have a cup of tea.

Brash said he would┬á"certainly accept" any invitation for a hui, meeting, or cup of tea ÔÇô or at least thatÔÇÖs what he told the media ÔÇô but obviously Hobsons Pledge can now be seen for what it really is ÔÇô a group of Maori attackers.ÔÇØ Tukaki said
ÔÇ£Let me be really clear ÔÇô there is no point in hiding what this is all is ÔÇô dog whistle politics with the ACT Party ÔÇô lets not forget Brash is all against hate laws according to his statements; and now we have his old little mates over at the ACT party pushing the same cause.

Well this New Zealand Maori Council is pushing back and I trust now that the country sees them all for what they are ÔÇô a pair of organisations seeking to sow deeper the seeds of division in this nation. And we should all, Maori, people of color, non-Maori and all New Zealanders ÔÇô push back against division.ÔÇØ Tukaki said
┬áIf Hobsons Pledge thinks for one minute we will let this go then we will not. The Human Rights Complaint process is not over ÔÇô they have been found left wanting by the lie that they would sit down and sort this out so now its time to go the next step.ÔÇØ Tukaki said."

[SueDonim]

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/conce...sentiment/

Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.

All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?

Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.

T─ümaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.

So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.

The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us

Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.

You are right on a lot of counts. We get the race card thrown out so often that people are scared to speak up, when in fact the whole thing is causing more separatism and racism all the time. And the Maori divide keeps getting bigger. There is the question of "who is Maori?". It's whoever wants to be, and those of Maori ancestry who don't like what's happening unfortunately step away from it and refuse to be put into silos.

There are those who want to use Maori place names. Beginning with Aotearoa which may or may not have originally been an accepted name for the North Island, but was only recently used to include the South Island. If you think about the early Maori colonisation, it wasn't one people coming to colonise a whole country, but disparate groups of people settling in specific localities. At first there was no concept of a single "place" (ie country).

For specific areas Maori place names can be used alongside our official names. One is a loose name given to an area and/or possibly a geographical feature. The other is a formal name that specifies an exact area and relates to its governance. Different things that are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

[Lilith7]

https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

[C_T_Russell]

I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?

Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.

Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.

The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.

When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.

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https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

lol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK

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https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/conce...sentiment/

Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.

All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?

Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.

T─ümaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.

So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.

The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us

Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.

You are right on a lot of counts. We get the race card thrown out so often that people are scared to speak up, when in fact the whole thing is causing more separatism and racism all the time. And the Maori divide keeps getting bigger. There is the question of "who is Maori?". It's whoever wants to be, and those of Maori ancestry who don't like what's happening unfortunately step away from it and refuse to be put into silos.

There are those who want to use Maori place names. Beginning with Aotearoa which may or may not have originally been an accepted name for the North Island, but was only recently used to include the South Island. If you think about the early Maori colonisation, it wasn't one people coming to colonise a whole country, but disparate groups of people settling in specific localities. At first there was no concept of a single "place" (ie country).

For specific areas Maori place names can be used alongside our official names. One is a loose name given to an area and/or possibly a geographical feature. The other is a formal name that specifies an exact area and relates to its governance. Different things that are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Yes good points.
I know many who are afraid to speak up. We are seeing division and I know that a few Maori, particularly the more academic younger ones who dont want to be seen or treated as someone "different" or disadvantaged.
I remember Winston Peters making this point very clear on a TV debate a while back.
He told the Maori party leader to "dont put your people down" as a response to him going on about maori are disadvantaged, here blah, blah...
There are many successful Maori people that we should all be proud of and look up to, including young Maori.
Taika Waititi is one such example.

Regarding place names, I agree, both can be used alongside each other, which we have done for decades, but what we are seeing is the complete opposite, there are street names being replaced with Maori ones.
What a headache for the postal service. I have always felt there has been a good balance of maori/english street names.

[Lilith7]

I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?

Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.

Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.

The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.

When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.

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https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

lol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK

"Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori."

I think perhaps you mean ancestors, rather than descendants...



You know why NZ is such a bad place to be a racist? Because we've intermarried so much, you can't tell from looking at us who might have Maori ancestry.

To attempt to discredit someone because according to your opinion, they're 'not Maori enough' smacks of prejudice & using any flimsy excuse to demean - any minute now, I expect the usual less appealing aspects of Maori life pre colonisation will be trotted out.


"Anti globalist agenda???!"
Not that tired old bollocks again, surely. So very, very secret that its all over the internet!  


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368
[b]
"A vague set of proposals from an influential organisation has been transformed by online conspiracy theorists into a powerful viral rallying cry. What is the truth behind the "Great Reset"?[/b]
Believers spin dark tales about an authoritarian socialist world government run by powerful capitalists and politicians - a secret cabal that is broadcasting its plan around the world.
Despite all the contradictions in the last sentence, thousands online have latched on to this latest reimagining of an old conspiracy theory - updated for the age of Covid.

Like many popular conspiracy theories, this one starts with a grain of fact.

In June 2020, the Prince of Wales and the head of the annual Davos summit launched an initiative calling for the pandemic to be seen as a chance for what they called a Great Reset of the global economy.

But the real energy online is not about legitimate political questions - discussions about fossil fuels and income equality - but in the shape of wild and unsubstantiated claims.

In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists.

The nebulousness of this conspiracy theory means it has found followers among anti-vaccine activists, anti-lockdown campaigners, new-age healers, and those on the far right and far left.
In the hands of a diverse group of online activists, the Great Reset has been transformed - from a call to encourage people to think about a sustainable future, to a sinister plot against humanity.

Ms Smith says online activists who deny the existence of climate change often engage with the Great Reset theory to "dismiss sustainability and renewable energy initiatives as an elite agenda for control".


Clearly those prepared to swallow this are very, very gullible - to say the least.

[C_T_Russell]

Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.

Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.

The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.

When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.

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lol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK

"Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori."

I think perhaps you mean ancestors, rather than descendants...



You know why NZ is such a bad place to be a racist? Because we've intermarried so much, you can't tell from looking at us who might have Maori ancestry.

To attempt to discredit someone because according to your opinion, they're 'not Maori enough' smacks of prejudice & using any flimsy excuse to demean - any minute now, I expect the usual less appealing aspects of Maori life pre colonisation will be trotted out.


"Anti globalist agenda???!"
Not that tired old bollocks again, surely. So very, very secret that its all over the internet!  


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368
[b]
"A vague set of proposals from an influential organisation has been transformed by online conspiracy theorists into a powerful viral rallying cry. What is the truth behind the "Great Reset"?[/b]
Believers spin dark tales about an authoritarian socialist world government run by powerful capitalists and politicians - a secret cabal that is broadcasting its plan around the world.
Despite all the contradictions in the last sentence, thousands online have latched on to this latest reimagining of an old conspiracy theory - updated for the age of Covid.

Like many popular conspiracy theories, this one starts with a grain of fact.

In June 2020, the Prince of Wales and the head of the annual Davos summit launched an initiative calling for the pandemic to be seen as a chance for what they called a Great Reset of the global economy.

But the real energy online is not about legitimate political questions - discussions about fossil fuels and income equality - but in the shape of wild and unsubstantiated claims.

In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists.

The nebulousness of this conspiracy theory means it has found followers among anti-vaccine activists, anti-lockdown campaigners, new-age healers, and those on the far right and far left.
In the hands of a diverse group of online activists, the Great Reset has been transformed - from a call to encourage people to think about a sustainable future, to a sinister plot against humanity.

Ms Smith says online activists who deny the existence of climate change often engage with the Great Reset theory to "dismiss sustainability and renewable energy initiatives as an elite agenda for control".


Clearly those prepared to swallow this are very, very gullible - to say the least.

Sorry, your right, I am a descendant of slaves.
Anyway, I think its getting petty if anyone wants to claim they are still a particular race by how much of their genetics is from a particular ancestor.
If you dont look maori, you probably are not maori.
I dont look like a black guy, nor would I ever claim to be one or try and claim any special benefits that I might be entitled to because of my race.
Its OK to say you have maori ancestry, but its stupid to say you are maori in such a case, I mean you have to draw the line somewhere and sadly there are no 100% maori left. But trying to claim to be a particular race is getting petty, we are all humans, with a common ancestor if you go back far enough. We need to just get on as one people and stop being divisive.

Maori this, pakeha that, its all divisive.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think all human beings are racist. I think it is biological, and social. The thing is most refuse to acknowledge the fact, which makes it hard to confront and change.

Because it is important to do that so we stop accidently hurting other people.

[C_T_Russell]

I think all human beings are racist. I think it is biological, and social. The thing is most refuse to acknowledge the fact, which makes it hard to confront and change.

Because it is important to do that so we stop accidently hurting other people.

That is kind of true, I was reading about a study that says its in our genetics to be wary of outsiders, back in the days of Neanderthals, it was more of a survival instinct not to trust others.
Thats no excuse, but there is definitely some genetic traits that go way back in humanity.

[Lilith7]

It may have made sense in ancient times to be wary of those who are different; it would sometimes have been a matter of survival but that's not often the case in these times & we need to learn better.

[C_T_Russell]

It may have made sense in ancient times to be wary of those who are different; it would sometimes have been a matter of survival but that's not often the case in these times & we need to learn better.

Yes, one only needs to study history to see how many wars have started as a result, seems nothing changes.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think all human beings are racist. I think it is biological, and social. The thing is most refuse to acknowledge the fact, which makes it hard to confront and change.

Because it is important to do that so we stop accidently hurting other people.

That is kind of true, I was reading about a study that says its in our genetics to be wary of outsiders, back in the days of Neanderthals, it was more of a survival instinct not to trust others.
Thats no excuse, but there is definitely some genetic traits that go way back in humanity.

I think it is a very common defense mechanism. Even plants do it, keeping others away by poisoning the soil around them to prevent other seedlings surviving. But as you say it is no excuse, explanations are not excuses, they just help us understand why we do things and once we understand we can make changes.

We need to make changes because of the hurt racism inflicts, and not  just on those who are targets, but on those who ignore their own errors of judgement. A better, healthier society is better for everyone, not just the privileged.

[Lilith7]

That is kind of true, I was reading about a study that says its in our genetics to be wary of outsiders, back in the days of Neanderthals, it was more of a survival instinct not to trust others.
Thats no excuse, but there is definitely some genetic traits that go way back in humanity.

I think it is a very common defense mechanism. Even plants do it, keeping others away by poisoning the soil around them to prevent other seedlings surviving. But as you say it is no excuse, explanations are not excuses, they just help us understand why we do things and once we understand we can make changes.

We need to make changes because of the hurt racism inflicts, and not  just on those who are targets, but on those who ignore their own errors of judgement. A better, healthier society is better for everyone, not just the privileged.

Indeed - imagination can show us how things might be, if we can only stop being such idiots.
And it seems that education is the gateway to that.

[gr8dadof2]

The most damaging racism I know was when white man went into indigenous peoples lands, raped, pillaged, slaughtered, enslaved and took the lands from the remaining survivors and all of it done for racist reasons. Irrepairable damage was done to many indigenous around the world. Go to any part of the indigenous world and they all have the same thing to say about white man. 'He' is evil to the core!

And that's what's wrong with the world today.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

And yet even today we still allow our churches to send missionaries out into the world under the guise of 'helping' other communities.

[Zurdo]

I think Maori should look to Ireland to see how an indigenous culture copes with invasion by the superior forces of the white man. Gaelic became a compulsory subject for all Irish school children, they have all learned Gaelic at school. But they don't speak Gaelic, apparently they speak English in public, although we still don't understand a word they say. But...they know how to pronounce all the Gaelic street signs they see, and understand the meaning of all those words. I think, hope that is what happens here, we may not speak Te Reo, but we will understand it, and what it all means, it will be part of our culture, but only a part.

And Quebec, the French Canadians - no, we don't want to go there, that is the wrong way to force a language onto the public.

[Olive]

" the superior white man." Can you explain what you mean by this? It seems like crude racism to me but maybe you can elucidate.

[Lilith7]

I think Maori should look to Ireland to see how an indigenous culture copes with invasion by the superior white man. Gaelic became a compulsory subject for all Irish school children, they have all learned Gaelic at school. But they don't speak Gaelic, apparently they speak English in public, although we still don't understand a word they say. But...they know how to pronounce all the Gaelic street signs they see, and understand the meaning of all those words. I think, hope that is what happens here, we may not speak Te Reo, but we will understand it, and what it all means, it will be part of our culture, but only a part.

And Quebec, the French Canadians - no, we don't want to go there, that is the wrong way to force a language onto the public.

Um...'superior white man??!'


Different, certainly.

The Welsh have done extremely well in reviving their language.