Luxon against Maori health authority

[Lilith7]

Interesting interview, Rachel Sadler interviewing Christopher Luxon on the subject. I suspect his party won't be getting too many Maori votes; he seems to think that continuing to do what we've been doing will somehow fix things.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/...nAwMOG3b50

[Oh_hunnihunni]

He really is into dog whistle stuff isn't he? Will we bottom feeders come to heel then?

Maybe we better save our Winter Energy payments and make them last rather than squander them on the rising cost of heaters...

[Lilith7]

He just seems to have not a clue in the world as to how difficult some people have things now.

Rachel Sadler wasn't letting him get away with dodging anything, either.

[Magoo]

im not going to read that and find its a work of fiction am i?
because theres a bit to get through and id rather not.
someone has to keep you left wing nutjobs honest.

[Olive]

He also doesn't seem to have a clue. The usual National voters will like this attitude, but they will vote for National anyway. He's not going to attract wavering Labour or ACT voters and I can't see what he is expecting to gain by this.

Also his brainless throwaway comments about the PM's gumboots. Who is he trying to appeal to? It just made him look stupid, particularly referring to Redbands when she wasn't wearing them.

All cool with me though, let him flail.

[king1]

im not going to read that and find its a work of fiction am i?
because theres a bit to get through and id rather not.
someone has to keep you left wing nutjobs honest.

That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

[Magoo]

right then. theres a bit to unpack there.
what did he say that was offensive?
why would bottom feeders be happy?

so i read it.
a problem is identified. its roots explored and examined, options and ideas and alternatives are offered.
none of them sinister. much of what was said makes perfect sense.

how long have we been throwing money and resources at something that isnt working?
how long should we continue to support a body which cannot show any positive change in the outcomes of those it supposedly serves?
is it time to try something else?

he doesnt completely decry the system, hes just saying it needs work.
pretty much what i would hope to see from an opposition party, an opposing viewpoint. and ideas and policy on ways to improve.
its been a long time coming. accepting the word of, and acting on the word third party groups with their own agendas seems a very dangerous path to follow.

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im not going to read that and find its a work of fiction am i?
because theres a bit to get through and id rather not.
someone has to keep you left wing nutjobs honest.

That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

[Lilith7]

right then. theres a bit to unpack there.
what did he say that was offensive?
why would bottom feeders be happy?

so i read it.
a problem is identified. its roots explored and examined, options and ideas and alternatives are offered.
none of them sinister. much of what was said makes perfect sense.

how long have we been throwing money and resources at something that isnt working?
how long should we continue to support a body which cannot show any positive change in the outcomes of those it supposedly serves?
is it time to try something else?

he doesnt completely decry the system, hes just saying it needs work.
pretty much what i would hope to see from an opposition party, an opposing viewpoint. and ideas and policy on ways to improve.
its been a long time coming. accepting the word of, and acting on the word third party groups with their own agendas seems a very dangerous path to follow.

---

That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

"Edgy & modern?"  No such luck - more tedious & annoying.

[king1]

That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

[Wainuiguy]

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it. Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be. Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group. But let's blame institutional racism......

[king1]

nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

As I understood it Maori would have participation and a power of veto over the DEVELOPMENT of the new health system under the proposed changes.  Maybe you should read that 123 page document, slowly... and enough with the insults, they will be removed, trigger finger is hovering over the red button

[Magoo]

nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

are you drunk? did you read the document? 
is english a second language for you? do yo have vivid delusions?
where did it say all this shit?
youve read it as if it were directed at you, and you only want to see what you want to see to suit your agenda.
fear-mongers, drama llamas, like most of this scaredy cat shit, get back to us when its underway, which is never, so we wont be holding our breaths.

i think you fit in very well over the road, youve found a safe haven among friends, why denigrate yourself wasting time with us weaklings?

[Wainuiguy]

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

As I understood it Maori would have participation and a power of veto over the DEVELOPMENT of the new health system under the proposed changes.  Maybe you should read that 123 page document, slowly... and enough with the insults, they will be removed, trigger finger is hovering over the red button

Lol at insults.  What Dont I get a chance to amend them like others?

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Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

are you drunk? did you read the document? 
is english a second language for you? do yo have vivid delusions?
where did it say all this shit?
youve read it as if it were directed at you, and you only want to see what you want to see to suit your agenda.
fear-mongers, drama llamas, like most of this scaredy cat shit, get back to us when its underway, which is never, so we wont be holding our breaths.

i think you fit in very well over the road, youve found a safe haven among friends, why denigrate yourself wasting time with us weaklings?

I will post where I like Magoo.  And someone like you certainly won't stop me speaking my mind.

And lay off the insults - didn't you see kings trigger finger is hovering over the red button?

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Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

As I understood it Maori would have participation and a power of veto over the DEVELOPMENT of the new health system under the proposed changes.  Maybe you should read that 123 page document, slowly... and enough with the insults, they will be removed, trigger finger is hovering over the red button

Excellent if it is just over the development.   Almost guaranteed not to in before next election.  Consider Northland Maori who are missing out on hundreds of millions because after years they can't decide who will negotiate the settlement.

[Magoo]

so, not too keen on the insults??
not a lot of fun is it? when they come at you?
yes, post where you like, post what you like. then own it.
and own the consequences too.

im happy to pay the price of being me, and there is a cost.
you fight tooth and nail to avoid it. embrace your weaknesses and learn hoppergrass, learn.

[Wainuiguy]

But in all seriousness let's say the Maori health authority is implemented. They receive a significant portion of the health budget for this to channel to Maori health needs. In 10 years time if those health outcomes have not improved who do Maori blame?

If it does work - and I am very skeptical it will - then it may actually be the first example of where race based governance works.

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so, not too keen on the insults??
not a lot of fun is it?  when they come at you?
yes, post where you like, post what you like. then own it.
and own the consequences too.

im happy to pay the price of being me, and there is a cost.
you fight tooth and nail to avoid it. embrace your weaknesses and learn hoppergrass, learn.

As said previously  your insults to me are not insults.   Why do I care what you or anyone else thinks?   I don't know you.  You don't know me.  I was just commenting that king has been listening to a bit of The Chemical Brothers  "my finger is on the button".

[Magoo]

the chemical bros you say?

[Wainuiguy]

the chemical bros you say?

Good song - though it was this one I was referring to:



https://youtu.be/Xu3FTEmN-eg

[Oldfellah]

Just read this from yesterday

Luxon told The Hui on Monday there's "no doubt" M─üori health outcomes are significantly poorer and there is a disparity throughout the country, and believed this is something that needs to be improved.
Currently, as a P─ükeh─ü man, he will on average live seven-and-a-half years longer than a M─üori man. He said that isn't equal and New Zealand should strive for increasing amounts of equality for everyone.


And this from today.

M─üori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi has suggested lowering the New Zealand Superannuation age for M─üori to 57 ÔÇö eight years lower than the current requirement.
The Waiariki MP says the move would be justified because, on average, M─üori have shorter lifespans than P─ükeh─ü.

So if Luxon gets in after admitting  Pākehā will live longer, will he lower the Superannuation age for Māori?

[Wainuiguy]

Just read this from yesterday

Luxon told The Hui on Monday there's "no doubt" M─üori health outcomes are significantly poorer and there is a disparity throughout the country, and believed this is something that needs to be improved.
Currently, as a P─ükeh─ü man, he will on average live seven-and-a-half years longer than a M─üori man. He said that isn't equal and New Zealand should strive for increasing amounts of equality for everyone.


And this from today.

M─üori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi has suggested lowering the New Zealand Superannuation age for M─üori to 57 ÔÇö eight years lower than the current requirement.
The Waiariki MP says the move would be justified because, on average, M─üori have shorter lifespans than P─ükeh─ü.

So if Luxon gets in after admitting  Pākehā will live longer, will he lower the Superannuation age for Māori?

If that is considered then perhaps the pension should only be paid up to the average persons age - die before then get paid out up to that age,  live after and you're on your own.

[Magoo]

luxon
M─üori have shorter lifespans than P─ükeh─ü.

is he saying we are different species? one lives for this long, and tis one lives for this long.
everyone keeps telling me we are all the same beneath the skin.
so having brown skin makes you more likely to die earlier.

have i got that right?
the difference is genetic, not some physical/environmental construct?
so we lower the super age for maori and give up on increasing life expectancy?
just let them die sooner but equitably.