(05-04-2022, 04:00 PM)Magoo Wrote: im not going to read that and find its a work of fiction am i?
because theres a bit to get through and id rather not.
someone has to keep you left wing nutjobs honest.

(05-04-2022, 04:10 PM)king1 Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 04:00 PM)Magoo Wrote: im not going to read that and find its a work of fiction am i?
because theres a bit to get through and id rather not.
someone has to keep you left wing nutjobs honest.

That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

(05-04-2022, 04:15 PM)Magoo Wrote: right then. theres a bit to unpack there.
what did he say that was offensive?
why would bottom feeders be happy?

so i read it.
a problem is identified. its roots explored and examined, options and ideas and alternatives are offered.
none of them sinister. much of what was said makes perfect sense.

how long have we been throwing money and resources at something that isnt working?
how long should we continue to support a body which cannot show any positive change in the outcomes of those it supposedly serves?
is it time to try something else?

he doesnt completely decry the system, hes just saying it needs work.
pretty much what i would hope to see from an opposition party, an opposing viewpoint. and ideas and policy on ways to improve.
its been a long time coming. accepting the word of, and acting on the word third party groups with their own agendas seems a very dangerous path to follow.

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(05-04-2022, 04:10 PM)king1 Wrote: That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

(05-04-2022, 04:15 PM)Magoo Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 04:10 PM)king1 Wrote: That strategy sounds like something out of the right wing nutjob playbook? 

If you can't provide any links or relevant references, suggest they read a123 page document, then read it again, slowly and carefully...

yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

(05-04-2022, 07:39 PM)king1 Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 04:15 PM)Magoo Wrote: yes, and if i were a right winger it would certainly apply.

it sounds like you are asking for proof?
alas the veracity of anything i say is left to the reader to disprove, as i am loath to look for it myself.

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but i will continue to demand if youve found anything as this sealioning thing sounds edgy and modern.

nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

(05-04-2022, 10:14 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 07:39 PM)king1 Wrote: nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

(05-04-2022, 10:14 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 07:39 PM)king1 Wrote: nah, not directed at you,  it was a subtle dig at someone else

Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

(05-04-2022, 10:36 PM)king1 Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 10:14 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

As I understood it Maori would have participation and a power of veto over the DEVELOPMENT of the new health system under the proposed changes.  Maybe you should read that 123 page document, slowly... and enough with the insults, they will be removed, trigger finger is hovering over the red button

(06-04-2022, 02:04 AM)Magoo Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 10:14 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

are you drunk? did you read the document? 
is english a second language for you? do yo have vivid delusions?
where did it say all this shit?
youve read it as if it were directed at you, and you only want to see what you want to see to suit your agenda.
fear-mongers, drama llamas, like most of this scaredy cat shit, get back to us when its underway, which is never, so we wont be holding our breaths.

i think you fit in very well over the road, youve found a safe haven among friends, why denigrate yourself wasting time with us weaklings?

(05-04-2022, 10:36 PM)king1 Wrote:

(05-04-2022, 10:14 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Maybe someone needs that link to reading comprehension again?  Because as i recall someone posted a section showing Maori would have oversight/veto over the entire health system under the proposed changes.

But that someone may be a dickhead, not certain - just a gentle dig there.

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I hope Luxon takes a flamethrower to it.  Because a race based health system with it focused on Maori health outcomes isn't the fix all Maori think it will be.  Proof in point the covid vax - $300 million extra spent on Maori to get them to vaccinate yet their rates remain behind every other ethnic group.  But let's blame institutional racism......

As I understood it Maori would have participation and a power of veto over the DEVELOPMENT of the new health system under the proposed changes.  Maybe you should read that 123 page document, slowly... and enough with the insults, they will be removed, trigger finger is hovering over the red button

(06-04-2022, 07:02 AM)Magoo Wrote: so, not too keen on the insults??
not a lot of fun is it?  when they come at you?
yes, post where you like, post what you like. then own it.
and own the consequences too.

im happy to pay the price of being me, and there is a cost.
you fight tooth and nail to avoid it. embrace your weaknesses and learn hoppergrass, learn.

(06-04-2022, 07:48 AM)Magoo Wrote: the chemical bros you say?

(06-04-2022, 11:14 AM)Oldfellah Wrote: Just read this from yesterday

Luxon told The Hui on Monday there's "no doubt" M─üori health outcomes are significantly poorer and there is a disparity throughout the country, and believed this is something that needs to be improved.
Currently, as a P─ükeh─ü man, he will on average live seven-and-a-half years longer than a M─üori man. He said that isn't equal and New Zealand should strive for increasing amounts of equality for everyone.


And this from today.

M─üori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi has suggested lowering the New Zealand Superannuation age for M─üori to 57 ÔÇö eight years lower than the current requirement.
The Waiariki MP says the move would be justified because, on average, M─üori have shorter lifespans than P─ükeh─ü.

So if Luxon gets in after admitting  Pākehā will live longer, will he lower the Superannuation age for Māori?

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M─üori have shorter lifespans than P─ükeh─ü.