Our freedoms are being taken away...

[C_T_Russell]

Why the fuck would you need a chip in your arm? Most of us already carry a smartphone.

Stop being so fuckin paranoid and just get on with life.

And don't forget that while  you have rights you also have responsibilities.

Keep your fellow citizens safe. You DO want them to do that for you don't you?
Return the favor..

Theres been tons of talk about chips in the arm/hand for years now, I dont see it happening anytime soon, but there is a possibility it could happen some time many years into the future.

Thats the whole point! Why does everybody think they have some sort of obligation to protect everyone else?
I dont have any responsibility to keep others safe from this virus, its everyone's responsibility to do what they think is right to look after themselves, whether that be vaccination or other measures.
I dont expect anyone else to get vaccinated to "protect" me.

Too much fear, guilt and obligation around all of this its not funny, ive never experienced anything like this in my life and I cant believe so many think this is OK.

Why do people think Jacinda makes all the rules? She is the PM, but she represents a government made up of democratically elected local MPs, some of whom then step up to Caucus roles and they decide the rules based on the expert opinion and advice of others.

It isn't a one man show. Ffs, stop pretending it is.

Thats the problem with democracy at the moment, it doesnt represent much of what the public want. Politicians all lie to us pre-election and then go against what they say for the next 3 years and we are all stuck with them.

Why do people think Jacinda makes all the rules? She is the PM, but she represents a government made up of democratically elected local MPs, some of whom then step up to Caucus roles and they decide the rules based on the expert opinion and advice of others.

It isn't a one man show. Ffs, stop pretending it is.

and whose decisions are on the whole supported by the 90% or so of the population who are now vaccinated.

90% did not vote labour, nor did all that 90% vaxxed get the jab because they support the mandates. It is not an accurate representation to say 90% support this. I know so many that didnt want the jab, but had no option to have it so they could keep their job and house. Thats blackmail at its finest.

Why do people think Jacinda makes all the rules? She is the PM, but she represents a government made up of democratically elected local MPs, some of whom then step up to Caucus roles and they decide the rules based on the expert opinion and advice of others.

It isn't a one man show. Ffs, stop pretending it is.

from what im lead to believe, and i might be wrong, is that jacinda is single handedly responsible for everything from climate change to Covid.
She also has a communist/socialist agenda to see us all enslaved.
pre covid they called her 'taxcinda'. this was due to lack of anything else to crucify her. covid has been a blessing for her detractors.

I call her vaxinda

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Why?

Silly or clever nick names say a lot more about the person using them than the person being misnamed. Novax Dejokeabit for example.

[C_T_Russell]

And to also add...
Unemployment is at an all time high, a certian number must be due to unvaxxed who have lost their jobs.
The damage to society is alot more than any increase in hospital admissions for a miserable percentage who didnt get vaxxed.
I have a friend who lost her place she was flatting in and had nowhere to go because the tenant lost her job for not getting vaxxed and could not pay the rent.
The costs are going to be huge, Labour is supposed to be looking after the workforce, but seems to take delight in people loosing their jobs for the sake of a jab.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

No. Untrue. Unemployment at 3.4 is one of our lowest figures ever. Fact.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/202...ecord.html

Like to fact check the rest of your puffery?

[Praktica]

I suppose it's a mercy that people like CT only appear here and subject us to their foolish utterings occasionally.

[Olive]

Quite. Childish nicknames and incorrect unemployment statistics - anyone would think they didn't have a good argument.

[Lilith7]

To be blunt & speaking very broadly - either we all get vaccinated or we all get dead.

I'm not by any means an expert but I'm fairly sure that, if all or most of the population are in fact dead, then there won't be much of an economy to speak of.

[Magoo]

the anti vaccinated are pigshit ignorant losers, they need to be completely separated from the vaccinated.
we know they are anti society, and cannot be trusted to do the right thing in any circumstances.
there seems to be a hatred towards the vaccinated from these skid marks, how long until theyre infecting people to make a statement.
im not sure what statement they might make that exonerates them from being a bunch of puckered sphincters.
they need to be dealt with in a meaningful way.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Incorrect statistics... I like that phrase. So much more courteous than damned lies deliberately propagated to serve a malicious intent.

Silly sausage that he is.

[olwen]

Incorrect statistics... I like that phrase. So much more courteous than damned lies deliberately propagated to serve a malicious intent.

Silly sausage that he is.

Someone said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

[harm_less]

To be blunt & speaking very broadly - either we all get vaccinated or we all get dead.

I'm not by any means an expert but I'm fairly sure that, if all or most of the population are in fact dead, then there won't be much of an economy to speak of.

More along the line of supporting lockdowns and restriction of social freedoms than a promotion of vaccination but the end result of the failure of either is similar. There is no economy if public health fails: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-17/e.../100756832

[Lilith7]

Agreed; we certainly need to place more value on those people who are doing the essential work - & pay them a decent, living wage - rather than forking out ever increasing amounts of dosh to those already overpaid.

It wouldn't be a bad move for every country to be as self sufficient as possible, either.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Communism wasn't all bad.

[Zurdo]

Communism is ok...trouble is they all tend to end up as dictatorships, which is a different thing altogether.

[Lilith7]

The problem with every system is that inevitably, the scum rises to the top...

[videomonkey]

Ah, the old "my freedoms are more important than your right to not die of a mostly preventable illness" shtick.

Simple answer; nope. Carry on.

[Lilith7]

Ah, the old "my freedoms are more important than your right to not die of a mostly preventable illness" shtick.

Simple answer; nope. Carry on.

People like that don't seem to comprehend that we all have to some extent, a responsibility to our society & that would include taking measure to ensure not passing on diseases which can be fatal to others.

And themselves, of course.

[Me+Me]

And to also add...
Unemployment is at an all time high, a certian number must be due to unvaxxed who have lost their jobs.
The damage to society is alot more than any increase in hospital admissions for a miserable percentage who didnt get vaxxed.
I have a friend who lost her place she was flatting in and had nowhere to go because the tenant  lost her job for not getting vaxxed and could not pay the rent.
The costs are going to be huge, Labour is supposed to be looking after the workforce, but seems to take delight in people loosing their jobs for the sake of a jab. Safety, be your

Darwin awards coming up for your friends who take delight in losing their lives for the sake of a jab. Especially when, for the sake of a jab, they could actively contribute to my safety, your safety,  and the well being of many other citizens. 
Fuck em I say

[SueDonim]

And to also add...
Unemployment is at an all time high, a certian number must be due to unvaxxed who have lost their jobs.
The damage to society is alot more than any increase in hospital admissions for a miserable percentage who didnt get vaxxed.
I have a friend who lost her place she was flatting in and had nowhere to go because the tenant  lost her job for not getting vaxxed and could not pay the rent.
The costs are going to be huge, Labour is supposed to be looking after the workforce, but seems to take delight in people loosing their jobs for the sake of a jab.

Most of the unemployment caused by vax status are people who have proven by their vax attitude that they are incapable of reading critically and understanding evidence. In the health professions you would have to question their competence to do their job. In the teaching professions they have proven that they are incompetent - it's what they are supposed to be teaching their students. The re-shuffling needed to cope with these losses is not great at this time, but ultimately the sooner those people move to more suitable careers the better.

The damage to society comes with hundreds/thousands of people being ill. During the lockdowns, essential services kept going for the benefit of us all. If everyone is ill, no matter how mild the illness, these essential services won't be able to stay open. If the supermarket has no staff, they will have to close. If the truck drivers are all isolating at home, no goods will be delivered and so on.

Your friend who lost her home did so because her flatmate was too stupid to get vaxxed.

Labour is far from perfect, but has tried hard to keep us safe from the virus and also keep the economy rolling. Some people have suffered but most are OK. Couriers are busy with people buying stuff. New car sales are high. People are eating out and buying takeaways. Our death rate from the virus has been one of the lowest in the world because our hospitals have been able to keep operating as normal. We're doing pretty well considering.

[Me+Me]

Agree