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a poignant open
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(28-05-2022, 10:51 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Explain this complicit by neglect business. What do you expect the individual citizen to do exactly?
we neglect to uphold the laws and systems we put in place to address this.
we repeatedly fail to take any action or attempt at solution. this is our duty to do. whose else?
we are neglecting our duty as decent, societal human beings by ignoring it. this makes us enablers by proxy and complicit in the ongong deaths.

what can we do exactly? 
because the victims are voiceless, no one answers to the inaction. theres a start. demand action, make noise, be active, ...try... annoy your mp, i pester the shit out of the miserable prick and i dont even fuckin vote

how many times have investigations folded when wagons were circled and voices quieted?
its unacceptable to me. we should be apoplectic with outrage. we are not. we stoically plod the same path expecting different outcomes without catalytic change. aka stupidity but i dont like being too hard on ourselves, winning hearts and minds etc

its making the noise, chewing the bone, pushing for change. it can be done from a keyboard as much or more than street level. be pissed off, be unreasonable, be unwavering. attack those institutions letting us down and demand tangible action.  shame those who would sweep it under the rug and make feeble adages and meek scripted responses to what is worse here than anywhere else in the civilised world. 
shame on us.

(28-05-2022, 11:10 AM)SueDonim Wrote:
(28-05-2022, 06:54 AM)Magoo Wrote: from Ari Meelber regarding the latest in what he describes as a 'ritual' cycle of angst and grief and then doing fuck all 
about shootings in usa.

no need to watch its entirety, the opening monologue runs about 3 minutes.
he uses words like 'negligent', and 'complicit' in their approach to actually dealing with the issue.
he berates americas normalisation and ongoing acceptance of this phenomenon... hmmm phenomenon might be the wrong word but it seems unique to american society, although ive made reference in another thread to our own elephant in the room that is infanticide and our ritual of blame, hand wringing and then doing fuck all (ongoing acceptance,)) is just marking time between deaths.
at which point do we too become complicit by neglect to act as well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp-CMwXQQ8s

Good food for thought.

The first mistake that people make is referring to "America" as a whole. Every state has its own culture, personality and laws. A number of years ago I did an in depth survey into the relationship between gun laws and crime. And there is none. It's easy for people to point at a liberal (in a legal sense) state and show their bad record, whilst ignoring other states that have much tighter laws (including far tighter than ours) and have just as much of a problem. The converse was also true. Some of the most liberal states were the safest. I don't have time to do the exercise now but after a quick look at some data I don't see any immediate evidence that it has changed.

The bottom line is that the whole crime problem is a social one, and making more laws simply doesn't fix anything. Countries that we align with culturally all have enough laws. Some of the problem is the lack of, or inconsistent, application of the law. Sometimes it's just simply too hard. But mostly the problem is a misplaced focus on more control.

The politicians shown as saying the same words over and over are just doing their job as the figurehead who has to say something caring at a time of tragedy. It's the same here. And won't be fixed by laws that hit the good people, only policy and guidance that deal with a change in a malfunctioning social structure.
having travelled extensively across the usa it never ceases to amaze me that they are one country.
there are paradigm shifts in culture and identity.
california would not be upset if florida or texas wished to secede from the union, and vice versa i assume.
there is a thread that ties them together, but ive failed to see it.
they say diversity is strength, they might be right.

(28-05-2022, 10:51 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Explain this complicit by neglect business. What do you expect the individual citizen to do exactly?
this is the same question we lambast the citizenry of america for over gun control.
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a poignant open - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 06:54 AM
RE: a poignant open - by Oh_hunnihunni - 28-05-2022, 10:51 AM
RE: a poignant open - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 12:26 PM
RE: a poignant open - by SueDonim - 28-05-2022, 11:10 AM
RE: a poignant open - by Oh_hunnihunni - 28-05-2022, 11:16 AM
RE: a poignant open - by SueDonim - 28-05-2022, 01:34 PM
RE: a poignant open - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 02:01 PM
RE: a poignant open - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 03:23 PM
RE: a poignant open - by Lilith7 - 28-05-2022, 03:47 PM
RE: a poignant open - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 03:54 PM

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