(02-04-2022, 03:29 PM)king1 Wrote:Will I as a person of European decent be able to access those areas?  Yes or no?(02-04-2022, 02:55 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Again easy to throw out the racist thing.   But how can you be racist if you are against a system being set up that actually establishes a health (or any other system) based on skin colour or ancestry?   Once again that is the very definition  of racist.It is racist because you are making it about the skin colour or ancestry.
As for pro equity for all - how can you say that with a straight face?
This is really no different than if we set up a health system focussed on for example cancer patients, or any other significant group...  Cancer patients are simply a metric that is measurable and disadvantaged in health outcomes.  Maori and Polynesian peoples are also a metric that is measurable and (from what I read) disadvantaged in health outcomes. 
They want a voice, as do cancer patients... Because they are a significantly larger group than cancer patients, and presumably because we have a treaty and UN commitments, they get a say so in how the health system should be setup...
In the present health system, white, brown, yellow, black, man woman, child, LGTBIQ can all access the system or parts of the system they need.   That is a fair system.  No one is disadvantaged.  The moment you establish a separate system be it health, prisons, justice, education, welfare or government based on the ethnicity of a person then the system is no longer fair and no longer for all.   They tried that somewhere once - the rest of the world didn't like it much.
(02-04-2022, 03:36 PM)Magoo Wrote:Well I guess Maori having an understanding of the Magna Carta and English law is right up there with them using radio, TV and microwaves.Quote:wainuithey didnt have to understand anything.
Maori had little understanding of such terms and their land was what they could defend and cultivate.  They didn't consider ownership in the same way.
the law regarding property rights was entrenched in the magna carta by king john in 1215? (thereabouts)
the english crown and its subjects were bound by that document.
when the british arrived, maori held full, complete and sovereign title to these lands.