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He Pau Pau
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(02-04-2022, 06:51 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:
(01-04-2022, 08:42 PM)king1 Wrote:  please provide a link or reference to substantiate the claim, as I mentioned I can't find any reference to it?
I didn't say in that document.   I said in the health system changes.  

It MIGHT get watered down before  it is made law.  But Maori would have veto over the health system in its current form..
like everything you say, incredibly vague and evasive and completely unhelpful...


anyway, found the document you weren't referring to 

Quote:52 Similarly, turning to national service planning, in relation to hauora Māori it will also be critical that there is clear and meaningful Māori leadership and involvement. My expectation is that the Māori Health Authority should have a co-lead role in relation to national planning and in designing the key operating mechanisms that the system will use. This would require the Māori Health Authority to jointly agree national plans and operational frameworks(e.g. the commissioning framework), with clear approval rights including an ability to exercise a veto in sign-off.  Having such an approval mandate would ensure the Māori Health Authority is engaged early and constructively, and that critical operations are aligned with a clearhauora Māori vision, embed Māori priorities and mātauranga Māori systems, and enable mechanisms that give life to local Māori leadership in the health system
https://dpmc.govt.nz/publications/cabine...als-reform


Now as I read this it refers to 
  • designing the key operating┬ámechanisms
  • jointly┬áagree national plans and┬áoperational┬áframeworks
So the power of VETO fear mongering would seem to be in the design and makeup of the future health system, presumably to ensure that it does allow for Maori Health outcomes... It is in the design and build phase only...


and I fail to see how that can be a bad thing?  It's not like the Maori health authority will have day to day power of veto over the health of all New Zealanders - which is what all the fear mongering seems to be suggesting...

Am I wrong?
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He Pau Pau - by Corky - 31-03-2022, 08:13 PM
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