(12-03-2022, 10:25 AM)Magoo Wrote:The problem being that "the first casualty of war is truth" and the propaganda machine is now turbocharged by the use of social media. The Ukraine situation is already rife with 'he said, she said' claims and those in power know all too well the power of social media in convincing the world that theirs is the path of truth. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has moved to social media to avoid the redactions of main stream media with its links to the world's powerbrokers.(12-03-2022, 10:05 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Some of us do stop ourselves though, which puts the lie to your position. The conflicts in the world are down to a very few very callous self interested people. I think they are mentally ill, but being kind I suggest they are immature personalities.you put the qualifying word in there, not i. 'some'
And the horror and damage they are responsible for far outweighs their value to the planet. That is why I support the death penalty. On the domestic scale, or the international, we would be better off without these people in our world. We cannot afford them.
the truth to my position is written in history, yes, some leaders stop themselves, and some do not...take vlad.
therein lies the rub, we cannot prevent those who do it not to until theyve done it.
and by then...
this has happened since the dawn of man
this is why we will not stop. 
we cant.
tell me of a day when mankind has not been at war with each other.
The video I posted above has been hosted on an 'alternative' video streaming service as the producers realise that the likes of YouTube would have canned it in short order. It does after all implicate George W Bush, John Kerry, Joe Biden and numerous other US and Western political officials of less than positive inputs into Ukraine's internal politics over the past few decades.
The death penalty is all well and good as a deterent against evil but it does have a finality and irrevocability about it and for this reason proof of guilt must be unarguable and that is very difficult to attain in an environment of high level propaganda.