(21-11-2021, 10:26 AM)yousnoozeyoulose Wrote: I get where you're coming from Yogi, but I can't see how subdividing the family farm into what are essentially unproductive (or far less productive) little blocks is logically consistent with what you want to happen. It's unlikely these blocks will ever join back up (T-1000 style), so you've taken your own little steps to destroying farming. Well done?

There's an element of jest there, so don't be offended.

Must scoot, got a few loads of dead pine to haul. Would be nice to have a trailer but I guess today is going to be an arm day. I am the Weediest He-Man.

(21-11-2021, 10:26 AM)yousnoozeyoulose Wrote: I get where you're coming from Yogi, but I can't see how subdividing the family farm into what are essentially unproductive (or far less productive) little blocks is logically consistent with what you want to happen. It's unlikely these blocks will ever join back up (T-1000 style), so you've taken your own little steps to destroying farming. Well done?

There's an element of jest there, so don't be offended.

Must scoot, got a few loads of dead pine to haul. Would be nice to have a trailer but I guess today is going to be an arm day. I am the Weediest He-Man.

(21-11-2021, 08:35 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Rumour has it the Taxpayers Union is behind these ' farmers' protests. True? Or more fake news?

(21-11-2021, 10:56 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(21-11-2021, 08:35 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Rumour has it the Taxpayers Union is behind these ' farmers' protests. True? Or more fake news?

If they're involved then that indicates links to the right politically & perhaps even the National party. Jordan Williams was deeply involved in the Dirty politics group.

I hope they're not behind this, the spreading of misinformation & what might perhaps be deliberate undermining of this govt during a pandemic. These aren't people with a high regard for democracy.

(21-11-2021, 11:12 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Hmmm, sometimes though these rumours are based on fact...

(21-11-2021, 11:11 AM)Yogi Wrote:

(21-11-2021, 10:56 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: If they're involved then that indicates links to the right politically & perhaps even the National party. Jordan Williams was deeply involved in the Dirty politics group.

I hope they're not behind this, the spreading of misinformation & what might perhaps be deliberate undermining of this govt during a pandemic. These aren't people with a high regard for democracy.

The taxpayer union is independent of government. They sure did not help National when they were in power. 
Great conspiracy.

(21-11-2021, 11:20 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(21-11-2021, 11:11 AM)Yogi Wrote: The taxpayer union is independent of government. They sure did not help National when they were in power. 
Great conspiracy.

Jordan Williams.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76443761/national-portrait-taxpayers-union-founder-jordan-williams

"It was as a legal adviser that Williams met WhaleOil blogger and Dirty Politics lead actor Cameron Slater. They became friends."




https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/cri-du-coeur

"Whatever the wider implications, the book has had a profound effect on me, personally. Something that doesnÔÇÖt come across in the news coverage about Dirty Politics,┬áand Cameron Slater, Jason Ede, Jordan Williams, Simon Lusk et al┬áis just how┬áfucking┬áawful these people are.┬á

[i]They spend their lives trying to poison and contaminate our politics. They enjoy seeing people suffer. They get excited by the idea of breaking up the marriages of their political enemies and ruining their lives.[/i]

Or is it when Jordan Williams, the Executive Director of the "Taxpayers' Union" ÔÇô a role he holds while also still ghost-writing posts on Whale Oil using Taxpayers' Union material to attack the Labour Party (p. 104, f/n 30) ÔÇô and an admitted barrister and solicitor of the High Court of New Zealand, enquires of Cameron Slater:

Any convicted child rapists among that labour party membership list [that Slater had taken from Labour's website, knowing it to be private material]? Let's start googling. (p. 72)
Or is it when this same Jordan Williams responds to the news in July 2011 (less than six months after some 185 people died in Christchurch) that one of the members of his anti-MMP group has resigned by stating:
[A]n earthquake right now would be good. (p. 72)"

(21-11-2021, 11:33 AM)Yogi Wrote:

(21-11-2021, 11:20 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: Jordan Williams.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76443761/national-portrait-taxpayers-union-founder-jordan-williams

"It was as a legal adviser that Williams met WhaleOil blogger and Dirty Politics lead actor Cameron Slater. They became friends."




https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/cri-du-coeur

"Whatever the wider implications, the book has had a profound effect on me, personally. Something that doesnÔÇÖt come across in the news coverage about Dirty Politics,┬áand Cameron Slater, Jason Ede, Jordan Williams, Simon Lusk et al┬áis just how┬áfucking┬áawful these people are.┬á

[i]They spend their lives trying to poison and contaminate our politics. They enjoy seeing people suffer. They get excited by the idea of breaking up the marriages of their political enemies and ruining their lives.[/i]

Or is it when Jordan Williams, the Executive Director of the "Taxpayers' Union" ÔÇô a role he holds while also still ghost-writing posts on Whale Oil using Taxpayers' Union material to attack the Labour Party (p. 104, f/n 30) ÔÇô and an admitted barrister and solicitor of the High Court of New Zealand, enquires of Cameron Slater:

Any convicted child rapists among that labour party membership list [that Slater had taken from Labour's website, knowing it to be private material]? Let's start googling. (p. 72)
Or is it when this same Jordan Williams responds to the news in July 2011 (less than six months after some 185 people died in Christchurch) that one of the members of his anti-MMP group has resigned by stating:
[A]n earthquake right now would be good. (p. 72)"

Looks like a good guy to run such an organization. Just as Jacinda was the right person to be president of the international socialist youth organization.
Does their past reflect the current position they hold? Some mud does stick i know.



I think the point is that he had & still has, associations with the right, in particular the National party. And its well known that Judith Collins is a long time friend of Cameron Slater, AKA Whaleoil, who was also deeply involved in Dirty politics.

(21-11-2021, 12:25 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I am very socialist leaning. And quite proud of it. Doesn't have to be a negative thing.

(21-11-2021, 11:41 AM)Praktica Wrote: Your definition of "good", yogi, seems skewed to "agrees with my opinion", rather than with the moral judgement that most associate with the word.

(21-11-2021, 01:00 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Found it! I knew there was a quote somewhere about 'socialism' - took a while, but i found it.


ÔÇ£Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
 
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
 
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
 
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
 
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
 
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.ÔÇØ

Harry S Truman

(21-11-2021, 01:11 PM)harm_less Wrote:

(21-11-2021, 01:00 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Found it! I knew there was a quote somewhere about 'socialism' - took a while, but i found it.


ÔÇ£Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
 
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
 
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
 
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
 
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
 
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.ÔÇØ

Harry S Truman

Not surprising considering socialism and society share the same origin.

(20-11-2021, 02:04 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: While Groundswell may have some valid points, to be protesting when this country is struggling to cope with a pandemic was never going to be a good look.

And if the racist comments aren't swiftly stamped out, together with the childish claims of a 'communist PM' then that well may damage any credibility they might have.