Vaccinations kill two

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Thing is, if they have a habit or a search history that provides sites that support their position, the algorithms will not give them any other kinds of information. They won't see it.

No wonder they get a bit blinkered, their sources are being censored by machines.

[Lilith7]

With some I think even if they see it, they just won't see it.

[Magoo]

some people cannot admit being wrong
others dont know how to apologise
mum and dad taught me both, you can imagine my consternation when i discovered that not all parents did.

[Lilith7]

Quite a few on social media have a problem admitting to getting something wrong, which seems really silly when we all manage to get stuff wrong sometimes.

[Magoo]

im wrong all the time. its my rejection of research in favour of custard squares
now im slightly over weight and wrong a lot as well
my wife could give you more accurate stats as to the extent of my wrongness,

[Lilith7]

im wrong all the time. its my rejection of research in favour of custard squares
now im slightly over weight and wrong a lot as well
my wife could give you more accurate stats as to the extent of my wrongness,

[Outsider]

Latest MedSafe report of adverse effects following vaccination HERE. Most common Adverse events of special interest is heart or heart membrane inflammation (Myocarditis/pericarditis) followed by Shingles. Seeing as how the vaccine stimulates the immune system these side effects are not unexpected I guess; inflammatory response and re-emergence of an existing latent virus respectively.

Also worth noting that in regard to the fatalities recorded (which may or may not be vaccine caused): "To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths."

I phoned the doctor's surgery 5 days after my 2nd jab as I'd had shortness of breath after 4 days and wanted to know if it should be reported. Only a nurse was there during lockdown and she said it wouldn't be anything to with the vaccination as it would have happened straight after if that was the case, rather than 4 days later. I had another 2 episodes of shortness of breath and extreme fatigue over the next 10 days but didn't think it was worthwhile phoning back. I'm now in my 7th week of Shingles! I think there must be lots of cases that are not being reported.

I will have to see my GP in the New Year as I'm now not sure whether I should have the booster.

[harm_less]

Latest MedSafe report of adverse effects following vaccination HERE. Most common Adverse events of special interest is heart or heart membrane inflammation (Myocarditis/pericarditis) followed by Shingles. Seeing as how the vaccine stimulates the immune system these side effects are not unexpected I guess; inflammatory response and re-emergence of an existing latent virus respectively.

Also worth noting that in regard to the fatalities recorded (which may or may not be vaccine caused): "To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths."

I phoned the doctor's surgery 5 days after my 2nd jab as I'd had shortness of breath after 4 days and wanted to know if it should be reported. Only a nurse was there during lockdown and she said it wouldn't be anything to with the vaccination as it would have happened straight after if that was the case, rather than 4 days later. I had another 2 episodes of shortness of breath and extreme fatigue over the next 10 days but didn't think it was worthwhile phoning back. I'm now in my 7th week of Shingles! I think there must be lots of cases that are not being reported.

I will have to see my GP in the New Year as I'm now not sure whether I should have the booster.

I heard Jesse Mulligan recount his visit to his doctor with vague symptoms with the doctor described as "classic shingles". The doctor however discounted any link to Jesse's previous vaccination so of course it wasn't reported. My sister is a nurse of 40+ years experience. She took her son's partner to the ER with chest discomfort following vaccination due to her level of concern. Reported as vaccine related? Don't know. But her fellow nurse confessed to similar chest pain post-vaccine, but didn't seek medical intervention as she was a sole carer of young children and ER would have been too inconvenient.

I suspect there are a hell of a lot of side effects that miss being reported either by resistant doctors or patients who decide to tough it out.

My sister last week related the story of another associate who suffered partial paralysis following her first vaccination and was agonising over getting her second due to the fear of a more serious reaction. But refusing the second vaccination still prevents her from gaining a vaccination certificate which will have significant employment and social impacts. Tough decision!

[Magoo]

so many second hand accounts and anecdotal hearsay, seems everyone has a story or knows someone.
but its never documented, which makes it dangerous speculation at best and misinformation at worst.

sounds more like gossip than science.

[king1]

folks with medical issues, with the vaccine and otherwise, are actually able to apply for a vaccine exemption and if granted obtain a vaccine pass

[harm_less]

folks with medical issues, with the vaccine and otherwise, are actually able to apply for a vaccine exemption and if granted obtain a vaccine pass

I think there is a problem for those people due to the likes of the dodgy doctor in Christchurch that Paddy Gower potted. As a result of 'counterfeit' exemptions like that being in existence anyone presenting exemption documents is regarded with suspicion and disbelief.

[Zurdo]

A friend of mine spent 3 weeks in hospital after the first shot...there was a whole ward of people like him he said. Much more common than they are reporting. 3 months later and he's still having problems. He's not antivax, but telling people to seriously think about it before getting it. If he wasn't vaccinated he'd be fit and healthy...and be able to mow his lawns.

[harm_less]

so many second hand accounts and anecdotal hearsay, seems everyone has a story or knows someone.
but its never documented, which makes it dangerous speculation at best and misinformation at worst.

sounds more like gossip than science.

I requested inclusion of inflammatory markers in a set of blood tests I had done a couple of weeks after my 2nd vaccination. I'm recovering from cancer treatment this time last year so blood tests are a regular occurrence for me currently.

CRP was 28mg/L (normal is <5). Result was flagged but put down to being due to recent vaccination. The C19 vax definitely gives your immune response a kick resulting in an inflammatory response. That's not speculation, it's medical test result fact.

The people giving evidence at this US Senate hearing on vaccine injuries got unlucky in the extent of their vaccine side effects. For me the decision to get vaccinated was based on comparative risk assessment between vaccine side effect likelihood compared to contracting COVID. I went in with as many bases covered as I could in that I micro-dosed with aspirin prior to the vax to mitigate any clotting risk, I insisted that the syringe was aspirated to ensure injection was into muscle and not blood vessel and I hydrated copiously for several days following the vax. Still got the inflammatory result as tested and still getting inflammatory gut issues under control 10 weeks later.

Booster next year? We'll see

[king1]

A friend of mine spent 3 weeks in hospital after the first shot...there was a whole ward of people like him he said. Much more common than they are reporting. 3 months later and he's still having problems. He's not antivax, but telling people to seriously think about it before getting it. If he wasn't vaccinated he'd be fit and healthy...and be able to mow his lawns.

yeah but 8 million doses? two people have died - even if its hundreds that have had medical issues, it is still a minute proportion.  and the benefits seriously outweigh the few negative cases.

One would have to be cautious about "telling people to seriously think about it before getting it I would think".  For starters, a lot of folks jobs depend on the vaccine these days and i'm sure anyone would feel stink if they inadvertently caused someone to lose their job by advocating against the vaccine.  Given that there have been several million other folks who have not had problems there is probably a good chance these days they will be branded an antivaxxer, warranted or not...

[Kacee]

his sacrifice goes towards the protection of us all.

How does his 'sacrifice' go towards your protection, did you live in the same house, next door?  He certainly didn't have to sacrifice himself for me, I take self responsibility for my own 'safety' as should every intelligent, healthy, able bodied person.

so many second hand accounts and anecdotal hearsay, seems everyone has a story or knows someone.
but its never documented, which makes it dangerous speculation at best and misinformation at worst.

sounds more like gossip than science.

  You are lucky not knowing anyone to have a severe reaction.  A local 35 year old died a few days after her jab but, of course, it was 'coincidental' as was another friend who spent time in hospital, at specialists etc. for her heart problems.  My sister was advised not to have the booster, it has taken her weeks to start regaining her health---not heart problems.

[Magoo]

his sacrifice goes towards the protection of us all.

How does his 'sacrifice' go towards your protection, did you live in the same house, next door?  He certainly didn't have to sacrifice himself for me, I take self responsibility for my own 'safety' as should every intelligent, healthy, able bodied person.

so many second hand accounts and anecdotal hearsay, seems everyone has a story or knows someone.
but its never documented, which makes it dangerous speculation at best and misinformation at worst.

sounds more like gossip than science.

  You are lucky not knowing anyone to have a severe reaction.  A local 35 year old died a few days after her jab but, of course, it was 'coincidental' as was another friend who spent time in hospital, at specialists etc. for her heart problems.  My sister was advised not to have the booster, it has taken her weeks to start regaining her health---not heart problems.

i cannot believe you are serious. he died getting the vaccine. he wasnt a whining scardey cat little bitch about it. he knew that to reach  critical mass to halt the spread of the virus and its variants we all need to be vaccinated.
like an educated, responsible caring person he went down to get his shot. he was healthy and low risk, he wasnt doing it for himself . ffs.

instead of quoting some facts you double down on stupid and tell another unsubstantiated story.
i dont consider myself lucky not to know anyone with a severe reaction because there arent any. just gossipy second hand accounts and misinformation scare tactics by the gutless parasite antivaxxers.  if this horseshit was true the media would be onto it as would the government, it would be documented and recorded. it isnt. stop telling fairytales. grow up.

these stories are lies and misinformation perpetuated by the ignorant, those that retell these fallacies are liars pure and simple. show me the documentation or shut up and stop bullshitting.

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so many second hand accounts and anecdotal hearsay, seems everyone has a story or knows someone.
but its never documented, which makes it dangerous speculation at best and misinformation at worst.

sounds more like gossip than science.

I requested inclusion of inflammatory markers in a set of blood tests I had done a couple of weeks after my 2nd vaccination. I'm recovering from cancer treatment this time last year so blood tests are a regular occurrence for me currently.

CRP was 28mg/L (normal is <5). Result was flagged but put down to being due to recent vaccination. The C19 vax definitely gives your immune response a kick resulting in an inflammatory response. That's not speculation, it's medical test result fact.

The people giving evidence at this US Senate hearing on vaccine injuries got unlucky in the extent of their vaccine side effects. For me the decision to get vaccinated was based on comparative risk assessment between vaccine side effect likelihood compared to contracting COVID. I went in with as many bases covered as I could in that I micro-dosed with aspirin prior to the vax to mitigate any clotting risk, I insisted that the syringe was aspirated to ensure injection was into muscle and not blood vessel and I hydrated copiously for several days following the vax. Still got the inflammatory result as tested and still getting inflammatory gut issues under control 10 weeks later.

Booster next year? We'll see

all due respect harmless, you are vulnerable due to a co-morbidity with cancer. all that talk was confusing and only applicable to your situation, not everyone else.
 80 million shots, extremely rare side effects, even rarer occurrence of death. millions of lives saved.
thats all a lay person needs to know. 
you do not know if any of the symptoms you displayed were due to the vaccine. cancer meds, cancer itself, too many bonbons. so many sources of discomfort to narrow it down to just the vaccine. sure the science sounds credible but unless it is not being recorded in monitored case study or for later peer review it remains anecdotal.

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A friend of mine spent 3 weeks in hospital after the first shot...there was a whole ward of people like him he said. Much more common than they are reporting. 3 months later and he's still having problems. He's not antivax, but telling people to seriously think about it before getting it. If he wasn't vaccinated he'd be fit and healthy...and be able to mow his lawns.

another friend. another story.

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folks with medical issues, with the vaccine and otherwise, are actually able to apply for a vaccine exemption and if granted obtain a vaccine pass

for the extremely rare occurrence by all means, get yourself the pass. stats showing less than 0.0004% of our population to be in this position. less than a hundred souls, rare indeed. the applications for exemption number in the thousands.
get yourself an exemption, stay unvaccinated, but stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated. the threat to us is not mitigated by your little certificate
go ahead, get an exemption, but the same restrictions should apply to you as any unvaccinated person. segregation, no travel, no movies, constant testing. i cannot see a valid reason to treat you any differently.

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Latest MedSafe report of adverse effects following vaccination HERE. Most common Adverse events of special interest is heart or heart membrane inflammation (Myocarditis/pericarditis) followed by Shingles. Seeing as how the vaccine stimulates the immune system these side effects are not unexpected I guess; inflammatory response and re-emergence of an existing latent virus respectively.

Also worth noting that in regard to the fatalities recorded (which may or may not be vaccine caused): "To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths."

I phoned the doctor's surgery 5 days after my 2nd jab as I'd had shortness of breath after 4 days and wanted to know if it should be reported. Only a nurse was there during lockdown and she said it wouldn't be anything to with the vaccination as it would have happened straight after if that was the case, rather than 4 days later. I had another 2 episodes of shortness of breath and extreme fatigue over the next 10 days but didn't think it was worthwhile phoning back. I'm now in my 7th week of Shingles! I think there must be lots of cases that are not being reported.

I will have to see my GP in the New Year as I'm now not sure whether I should have the booster.

the nurse was right. why you wouldnt listen to a health professional says all i need to know.
i get shortness of breath. walking up a hill will do it. i also get shortness of breath when exposed to kapok or fine fiberglass dust. when i have a cold i get shortness of breath and a bit chesty and weezy.
blaming the vaccine is handy, and suits a narrative but again anecdotal antiscience  just another bedtime story .

[Outsider]

How does his 'sacrifice' go towards your protection, did you live in the same house, next door?  He certainly didn't have to sacrifice himself for me, I take self responsibility for my own 'safety' as should every intelligent, healthy, able bodied person.


  You are lucky not knowing anyone to have a severe reaction.  A local 35 year old died a few days after her jab but, of course, it was 'coincidental' as was another friend who spent time in hospital, at specialists etc. for her heart problems.  My sister was advised not to have the booster, it has taken her weeks to start regaining her health---not heart problems.

i cannot believe you are serious. he died getting the vaccine. he wasnt a whining scardey cat little bitch about it. he knew that to reach  critical mass to halt the spread of the virus and its variants we all need to be vaccinated.
like an educated, responsible caring person he went down to get his shot. he was healthy and low risk, he wasnt doing it for himself . ffs.

instead of quoting some facts you double down on stupid and tell another unsubstantiated story.
i dont consider myself lucky not to know anyone with a severe reaction because there arent any. just gossipy second hand accounts and misinformation scare tactics by the gutless parasite antivaxxers.  if this horseshit was true the media would be onto it as would the government, it would be documented and recorded. it isnt. stop telling fairytales. grow up.

these stories are lies and misinformation perpetuated by the ignorant, those that retell these fallacies are liars pure and simple. show me the documentation or shut up and stop bullshitting.

---

I requested inclusion of inflammatory markers in a set of blood tests I had done a couple of weeks after my 2nd vaccination. I'm recovering from cancer treatment this time last year so blood tests are a regular occurrence for me currently.

CRP was 28mg/L (normal is <5). Result was flagged but put down to being due to recent vaccination. The C19 vax definitely gives your immune response a kick resulting in an inflammatory response. That's not speculation, it's medical test result fact.

The people giving evidence at this US Senate hearing on vaccine injuries got unlucky in the extent of their vaccine side effects. For me the decision to get vaccinated was based on comparative risk assessment between vaccine side effect likelihood compared to contracting COVID. I went in with as many bases covered as I could in that I micro-dosed with aspirin prior to the vax to mitigate any clotting risk, I insisted that the syringe was aspirated to ensure injection was into muscle and not blood vessel and I hydrated copiously for several days following the vax. Still got the inflammatory result as tested and still getting inflammatory gut issues under control 10 weeks later.

Booster next year? We'll see

all due respect harmless, you are vulnerable due to a co-morbidity with cancer. all that talk was confusing and only applicable to your situation, not everyone else.
 80 million shots, extremely rare side effects, even rarer occurrence of death. millions of lives saved.
thats all a lay person needs to know. 
you do not know if any of the symptoms you displayed were due to the vaccine. cancer meds, cancer itself, too many bonbons. so many sources of discomfort to narrow it down to just the vaccine. sure the science sounds credible but unless it is not being recorded in monitored case study or for later peer review it remains anecdotal.

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A friend of mine spent 3 weeks in hospital after the first shot...there was a whole ward of people like him he said. Much more common than they are reporting. 3 months later and he's still having problems. He's not antivax, but telling people to seriously think about it before getting it. If he wasn't vaccinated he'd be fit and healthy...and be able to mow his lawns.

another friend. another story.

---

folks with medical issues, with the vaccine and otherwise, are actually able to apply for a vaccine exemption and if granted obtain a vaccine pass

for the extremely rare occurrence by all means, get yourself the pass. stats showing less than 0.0004% of our population to be in this position. less than a hundred souls, rare indeed. the applications for exemption number in the thousands.
get yourself an exemption, stay unvaccinated, but stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated. the threat to us is not mitigated by your little certificate
go ahead, get an exemption, but the same restrictions should apply to you as any unvaccinated person. segregation, no travel, no movies, constant testing. i cannot see a valid reason to treat you any differently.

---

I phoned the doctor's surgery 5 days after my 2nd jab as I'd had shortness of breath after 4 days and wanted to know if it should be reported. Only a nurse was there during lockdown and she said it wouldn't be anything to with the vaccination as it would have happened straight after if that was the case, rather than 4 days later. I had another 2 episodes of shortness of breath and extreme fatigue over the next 10 days but didn't think it was worthwhile phoning back. I'm now in my 7th week of Shingles! I think there must be lots of cases that are not being reported.

I will have to see my GP in the New Year as I'm now not sure whether I should have the booster.

the nurse was right. why you wouldnt listen to a health professional says all i need to know.
i get shortness of breath. walking up a hill will do it. i also get shortness of breath when exposed to kapok or fine fiberglass dust. when i have a cold i get shortness of breath and a bit chesty and weezy.
blaming the vaccine is handy, and suits a narrative but again anecdotal antiscience  just another bedtime story .

I object to that strongly!!I was very healthy for my age (74) but within 2 weeks had 3 episodes of shortness of breath, followed by an attack of Shingles (which I had been vaccinated for 3 years before). The nurse didn't even see me, only talked on the phone, and it is NOT correct that the problem happens straight after the vaccine but within 14 days (official web site info). 
I've had no more episodes of shortness of breath since and there has definitely been a link made with Shingles and the vaccine. In the UK people can go online to a special web site and report any of these things so that a pattern can be established but not here. I have been all for the vaccine and encouraged everyone to have it, but I don't like this secrecy over side effects - that's the sort of thing that makes people believe in conspiracies. The medical profession has to be open about these things or people will stop trusting them to do the right thing.

[king1]

lol, so when you say Magoo,

 stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated

Are you and the Grandkids are gonna have big flashing signage hats of some sort, to ID yourselves to the rest of the unvaxxed.  How are these poor folk supposed to know who/where you are at any given time?  or should they be staying in a Magoo imposed isolation so there's no chance of that happening...

Only thinking of those with the genuine health reasons and medical exemptions. The antivaxxers could probably benefit from a face to face with you .

[harm_less]

i cannot believe you are serious. he died getting the vaccine. he wasnt a whining scardey cat little bitch about it. he knew that to reach  critical mass to halt the spread of the virus and its variants we all need to be vaccinated.
like an educated, responsible caring person he went down to get his shot. he was healthy and low risk, he wasnt doing it for himself . ffs.

instead of quoting some facts you double down on stupid and tell another unsubstantiated story.
i dont consider myself lucky not to know anyone with a severe reaction because there arent any. just gossipy second hand accounts and misinformation scare tactics by the gutless parasite antivaxxers.  if this horseshit was true the media would be onto it as would the government, it would be documented and recorded. it isnt. stop telling fairytales. grow up.

these stories are lies and misinformation perpetuated by the ignorant, those that retell these fallacies are liars pure and simple. show me the documentation or shut up and stop bullshitting.

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all due respect harmless, you are vulnerable due to a co-morbidity with cancer. all that talk was confusing and only applicable to your situation, not everyone else.
 80 million shots, extremely rare side effects, even rarer occurrence of death. millions of lives saved.
thats all a lay person needs to know. 
you do not know if any of the symptoms you displayed were due to the vaccine. cancer meds, cancer itself, too many bonbons. so many sources of discomfort to narrow it down to just the vaccine. sure the science sounds credible but unless it is not being recorded in monitored case study or for later peer review it remains anecdotal.

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another friend. another story.

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for the extremely rare occurrence by all means, get yourself the pass. stats showing less than 0.0004% of our population to be in this position. less than a hundred souls, rare indeed. the applications for exemption number in the thousands.
get yourself an exemption, stay unvaccinated, but stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated. the threat to us is not mitigated by your little certificate
go ahead, get an exemption, but the same restrictions should apply to you as any unvaccinated person. segregation, no travel, no movies, constant testing. i cannot see a valid reason to treat you any differently.

---

the nurse was right. why you wouldnt listen to a health professional says all i need to know.
i get shortness of breath. walking up a hill will do it. i also get shortness of breath when exposed to kapok or fine fiberglass dust. when i have a cold i get shortness of breath and a bit chesty and weezy.
blaming the vaccine is handy, and suits a narrative but again anecdotal antiscience  just another bedtime story .

I object to that strongly!!I was very healthy for my age (74) but within 2 weeks had 3 episodes of shortness of breath, followed by an attack of Shingles (which I had been vaccinated for 3 years before). The nurse didn't even see me, only talked on the phone, and it is NOT correct that the problem happens straight after the vaccine but within 14 days (official web site info). 
I've had no more episodes of shortness of breath since and there has definitely been a link made with Shingles and the vaccine. In the UK people can go online to a special web site and report any of these things so that a pattern can be established but not here. I have been all for the vaccine and encouraged everyone to have it, but I don't like this secrecy over side effects - that's the sort of thing that makes people believe in conspiracies. The medical profession has to be open about these things or people will stop trusting them to do the right thing.

What we have with all of this collection of magoo's broadwash dismissals of actual vaccine incidents is a demonstration the the militant pro-vaxxers can be every bit as one-eyed as the anti-vax brigade. He's already said he's not a doctor and his ignorance of medical matters sure confirms that.

[king1]

the nurse was right. why you wouldnt listen to a health professional says all i need to know.
i get shortness of breath. walking up a hill will do it. i also get shortness of breath when exposed to kapok or fine fiberglass dust. when i have a cold i get shortness of breath and a bit chesty and weezy.
blaming the vaccine is handy, and suits a narrative but again anecdotal antiscience  just another bedtime story .

I object to that strongly!!I was very healthy for my age (74) but within 2 weeks had 3 episodes of shortness of breath, followed by an attack of Shingles (which I had been vaccinated for 3 years before). The nurse didn't even see me, only talked on the phone, and it is NOT correct that the problem happens straight after the vaccine but within 14 days (official web site info). 
I've had no more episodes of shortness of breath since and there has definitely been a link made with Shingles and the vaccine. In the UK people can go online to a special web site and report any of these things so that a pattern can be established but not here. I have been all for the vaccine and encouraged everyone to have it, but I don't like this secrecy over side effects - that's the sort of thing that makes people believe in conspiracies. The medical profession has to be open about these things or people will stop trusting them to do the right thing.

Where is the secrecy here?
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/dise...-reactions

Lists all the possible side effects and at the end the number of reported instances, tens of thousands in some cases