(07-11-2021, 05:21 AM)kiwi Wrote:(31-10-2021, 11:47 AM)king1 Wrote: I'm no expert but I do think the science is very clear on this matter, and the hospitalisation rates of unvaccinated vs vaccinated speaks volumes...I object to being told what to do. For that reason and because of the possible side effects/death I am not vaccinated. I do however wear a mask, contact trace and limit group size. If I needed to self isolate I would but I have not been sick. At all.
These days, now that the majority of sensible people are already, or on their way to being, fully vaccinated, the remaining unvaccinated are either the young, those with health reasons, or dare I say it the less sensible members of society who tend to be in denial of the risks and/or object to being told what to do.  As such they can't be trusted to do the right thing when required ie mask up, limit groups, self isolate when required etc  IMHO the unvaccinated people themselves and their decision making is where the real increased risk lies...
Just my two cents...
Well all I can say to that is we live in a society that imposes rules of law over peoples body and mind all the time.  It is part of the social contract of living in and being a citizen of NZ, no-one is exempt.
The only reason it is probably not a legal requirement is because they know the majority of people will do the right thing for the rest of society, putting aside their childish notions of not wanting to be told what to do for the greater good of society.  Honestly it's like saying i'm not going to work because i don't like a boss telling me what to do - there is a cost to that decision, as there will be a cost for not being vaccinated...
Then there is the increased risk of long covid which, ignoring the health implications for those afflicted, will be a burden on the state (ie everyone) for many years to come, so everything we do to minimise the number of infected benefits everyone, and everyone who does not is contributing to that burden, so don't expect any favours from 'your' society...
And if that doesn't convince you to do the right thing, at some stage there is going to be a right royal 'I told you so' to all antivaxxer's.   This is a classic Darwinism survival of the fittest affair.  Family lines are dying out, and it will be mostly the unvaccinated that will suffer it from now on - that stats are irrefutable... 
Might be a little harsh but the time for pandering is over IMHO
The world would be a perfect place, if it wasn't for the humans.
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