NZ covid deaths are getting up there

[SueDonim]

Some time ago we standardised the counting to follow other countries so that data provides a proper comparison. Like all data there are multiple ways of counting and interpreting numbers so the standardisation was important. It would be good though to be told how many people died with covid as the only or the primary cause of death.

Regarding your dig at vaccine injury, we've been over and over that and that's where you topple into CT territory. Yes, there are some vaccine injuries. But there are far far far more injuries in the people who actually get covid, especially when they are unvaccinated. The vaccine protects from a lot of that. And just because they didn't make the statistics we see every day doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There's long covid, there are autoimmune issues, there's ongoing heart disease. And so it goes.

There definitely needs to be a more honest and transparent way of recording deaths.
But the govt is basically following WHO guidelines, so we should be asking them the reason why.
Car accidents, murders and cancer deaths dont count as covid deaths.

Ive got a few friends double or triple jabbed, one who has had covid really bad, was sick for weeks and another who is still suffering with long covid.
My doctor gave me a long rant about getting the vaccine and told me I would get "long covid" if i didnt get the jab.
Glad I didnt take her advice, our whole family got covid at once a good 3 months ago and was no worse than the flu, my father in his 70's had the least severe symptoms out of all of us.

I know plenty who are unvaxxed with covid and none have had serious symptoms, they all say it was no different than a cold or flu.
Of course many will just say that this is anecdotal, but I think it warrants more study.
Experts will just say that these people would have been alot sicker if they didnt have the jab, so you cant win. And since most of NZ is jabbed, we wont really get accurate data anymore.

What is the biggest laugh is they are still telling people to get another "booster" after having covid but wait at least 3 months before having it lol.

How dumb can anyone be? If the 1st, 2nd or 3rd shot didnt stop you getting covid, then what is the point of even bothering with another shot? You have already gained natural immunity by this stage anyway. The updated omicron booster isint even available yet and the virus has already mutated since then into even more variants, so its completley pointless.

Your family story may be interesting but is not "evidence" of anything. It's well known that many people have only minor symptoms from covid, but those who have severe symptoms can be in big trouble. And a proportion of those with even minor symptoms will have long covid. And, as has been repeated over and over, those serious symptoms and/or long covid are MUCH LESS LIKELY IF YOU ARE VACCINATED.

Advice from medical experts is based on evidence. The lowest level of such evidence is case studies, which are already a step up from your anecdotes because at least the case study is presented by someone with knowledge of how the body works. You can learn more about levels of evidence here https://ascension-wi.libguides.com/ebp/Levels_of_Evidence and https://libguides.winona.edu/ebptoolkit/Levels-Evidence.

It has been a while since I looked up vaccine safety, but on having a look now I can't see that anything has changed since last time I looked. Here are a couple of reviews: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1...21.2002083 and https://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj...9.full.pdf. Vaccines are very safe when compared to the risks from the disease.


You say "How dumb can anyone be? ..." Those who got covid after being vaccinated have possibly gained some extra immunity, which may be to a different variant from the one optimised in the vaccine, but may also be to a different variant from the one they will come in contact with next. They need to understand that this immunity will wane, just as the immunity from the vaccine does. So, for those where it is indicated, waiting three months and getting the next booster plays it safe. Eventually we will have a generic vaccine for all coronaviruses (inlcuding flu) but that's not here yet. So in the meantime, it's common sense to accept advice and do what is recommended by those who actually know something.

At the end of the day, those giving formal medical advice actually know a HUGE!!!!!! amount more than the laymen who don't understand the bigger picture and put out disinformaiton on forums like this.

In the perfect world, people would be avoiding unnecessary personal contact and wearing their facemasks when they should be. Since there are so many who refuse to take these basic precautions, the rest of us need to over-compensate, and if that means being immunised as advised, it's advice that sensible people are happy to to take.

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My Perth based daughter had covid. Access to the best antivirals, because she is one of the very vulnerable, kept her alive, but she said the experience was awful, even with that support. And she is double boosted.

So, imagine what the situation would have been without all those medical and political efforts on her behalf.

I think we are very lucky, here in the deep South, and should be grateful for that accident of fate. Worldwide, the death and injury toll has been enormous. That's the reality we avoided.

There is a very good chance your daughter would have been no worse off if she had not had the jab.
In fact, people with poorer immune systems may not be able to handle the immune response from the vaccine.
More data is needed, but there are studies showing that the (pfizer) vaccine keeps making the spike proteins in your body long after having the jab.
Blood tests are showing abnormally high levels of white blood cells in the body in some people who have had the jab.
In such cases, it appears their immune system is in overdrive trying to clear all these spike proteins that their body is producing.
So when you catch covid, you are actually in a worse place because their immune system is compromised.
Now there needs to be more data on this, but its becoming clearer that there is an issue and I dont think it will be long before we see multi billion dollar lawsuits.

There is an interview with Dr Campbell where he interviews someone who had serious side effects from the jab and he has been using ivermectin to help relieve the symptoms.

I was skeptical at first when I was researching this about the M-RNA vaccines, but there definitely is some cause for concern.

It is very likely that Oh_hunnihunni's daughter would have been worse off without the jab.

People with poor immune systems are less likely to be able to handle catching the disease. Why can you not understand this? The vaccine is not perfect, but it's the best we have and is one hell of a lot safer than risking the disease except for a very few people who will have been working closely with their doctors all through this.

Your "information" about the immune system is clearly from disinformation sources that should be ignored, or laughed at. Here is some evidence about this https://www.reuters.com/article/factchec...SL1N2L9187.

Dr Campbell has been well discredited. He started out with a reasonable amount of good sense, but seems to have gone off the rails. He is not a virologist, immunologist, epidemiologist or infectious disease specialist. He is a retired nurse educator.

There has been a lot of attention paid to the potential for use Ivermectin. Research (as in PROPER research) has variable results. See this https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o917. When you are looking up information it is not research. When you are looking it up on social media sites it is not even an information search.

When you repeat what you have read from dodgy sources, it is disinformation.