02-06-2022, 11:08 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-06-2022, 11:33 AM by C_T_Russell.)
(01-06-2022, 10:13 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.
Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.
The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.
When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.
(01-06-2022, 04:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledgelol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK
Go on CT, I dare ya...
(01-06-2022, 04:33 PM)SueDonim Wrote:Yes good points.(01-06-2022, 01:17 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/conce...sentiment/
Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.
All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?
Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.
T─ümaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.
So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.
The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us
Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.
You are right on a lot of counts. We get the race card thrown out so often that people are scared to speak up, when in fact the whole thing is causing more separatism and racism all the time. And the Maori divide keeps getting bigger. There is the question of "who is Maori?". It's whoever wants to be, and those of Maori ancestry who don't like what's happening unfortunately step away from it and refuse to be put into silos.
There are those who want to use Maori place names. Beginning with Aotearoa which may or may not have originally been an accepted name for the North Island, but was only recently used to include the South Island. If you think about the early Maori colonisation, it wasn't one people coming to colonise a whole country, but disparate groups of people settling in specific localities. At first there was no concept of a single "place" (ie country).
For specific areas Maori place names can be used alongside our official names. One is a loose name given to an area and/or possibly a geographical feature. The other is a formal name that specifies an exact area and relates to its governance. Different things that are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
I know many who are afraid to speak up. We are seeing division and I know that a few Maori, particularly the more academic younger ones who dont want to be seen or treated as someone "different" or disadvantaged.
I remember Winston Peters making this point very clear on a TV debate a while back.
He told the Maori party leader to "dont put your people down" as a response to him going on about maori are disadvantaged, here blah, blah...
There are many successful Maori people that we should all be proud of and look up to, including young Maori.
Taika Waititi is one such example.
Regarding place names, I agree, both can be used alongside each other, which we have done for decades, but what we are seeing is the complete opposite, there are street names being replaced with Maori ones.
What a headache for the postal service. I have always felt there has been a good balance of maori/english street names.