You can never have enough...

[SueDonim]

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So you both feel that those who have paid for the super shouldn't get it while those that haven't contributed are deserving?

Personally, after a lifetime of hard work - both paid and voluntary work - and living frugally, we have paid plenty of tax and contributed enough to society to take the small reward that we are entitled to. Over the years I've spent involved in non-profits, I've seen plenty of taxpayers and pensioners contributing, but few beneficiaries.

I feel for and support those who have struck hard times through no fault of their own. But today we have too many crying "poor" and "hard done by" who simply don't want to work.

No, that isn't what was said at all.

We were saying that those who don't need it really shouldn't claim super - which is quite a different thing. And we all pay for super; it comes from our taxes as you know.

There are any number of beneficiaries who contribute in various ways, including caring for handicapped relatives - which might save us all some taxes, mightn't it.

From where I'm sitting, those who "don't need" it are likely to have contributed the most towards it and should have that reward back if they wish. And those who are taking it will often be supporting other people and/or the voluntary sector in ways that other people do not necessarily see.

My snipe at beneficiaries is not about those who have fallen on hard times outside their control and/or are supporting family, but those who simply ride the system their whole lives and never give anything back.