(15-02-2022, 02:35 PM)dken31 Wrote:(15-02-2022, 02:08 PM)king1 Wrote: well yes the mandates are legitimate, and yes it is logical.  Whatever protection vaccines provide is better than not, but I leave that one to those who know the science.  
Young (and other) people ignoring rules, thinking they're bullet proof etc is nothing new and is evidence of nothing more than what most recognise as 'young and dumb'.    Doesn't excuse the behaviour or refute the evidence that vaccines and mandates work and are required
The thing is the vaccine does clearly reduce hospitalisation but it also clearly causes harm to some people.  Therefore, it needs to be a personal choice like medical treatment has generally been in free open societies.  My point re. the limited benefit to others of a person being vaccinated is relevant as that determines whether or not it is reasonable for society to impose its collective will on the individual.  In this case, there is just no clear scientific evidence that you're at greater risk of catching Covid from someone choosing to remain unvaccinated (and soon even those who choose not to get the third dose will also be classified as "not fully vaccinated") than you are from a fully vaccinated person.  Therefore, it is immoral to limit peoples freedoms based on their personal choice in this matter.
And to the "it's just a little jab, what are you afraid of" comments: it is equally valid to say "it's just a cold, what are you afraid of", particularly with regard to Omicron.
and generally speaking this is a free and open society - if you choose not to be treated for Herpes no one will care -  but covid is different and highly transmissible without much effort, and life threatening to some - you should not be surprised to have restrictions imposed on you by society if you choose not to get vaccinated...   
The key difference here is where you say " there is just no clear scientific evidence ", we (the other 95%) say " Abundance of caution".  
The world would be a perfect place, if it wasn't for the humans.
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