What will it take?

[dken31]

theres not many people out there who do want the vaccine mandates, (just me i think) but stoically bear with them as part of the defence against Covid and its Variants. We like it no more than we liked lockdowns and getting vaccine shots. its been a time of worry and concern for us all.
How is this helping? is it going to speed up the process?
how many of the crowd, learned workaholics that they are, have any experience in medicine?
the minority might be well represented but compared to what? not mainstream thinking, nor societal abidance.
does collective angst override science because its pissy about not being allowed into mcdonalds?
does the minority have the right to impose themselves on the majority?
based on the science they present how can they be taken seriously?

whilst your well written, thought out and passionate missive is commendable i think your support is misplaced.
pitchfork politicking is not the way forward, and for once the government is in full agreement with that.
making exceptions to the laws based on whos breaking them has never, ever been part of our system.
Happy to change that, but through the normal channels and legislation thanks, not dictated from the public toilets on the beehive lawn.

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anti vaxxers are a scab on an abscess
anti maskers are dull witted morons.
anti mandators need to wait for an election.

mix all three and add alt right shitstirrers and semi professional dissidents and its an ugly cauldron.

despite being asked multiple times what it is they want, and to start some dialogue, the crowd seem reticent to say exactly what it is they want instead to keep us and the kids safe, or anyone at all that can string together a sentence to enunciate it.
what alternative plan do these well coiffed, deep thinkers have?
its so so easy to bitch and moan and throw poo's around the paddling pool,
if theres a better way id love to hear it. we're missing out on weddings, funerals and all manner of shit.

lets hear the solution
must be in legible or coherent english not pseudo science CT Qanon sov cit gobbledygook please

What a Jekyll and Hyde response.  I was quite impressed by the first half; obviously you disagreed with my take however you did so in a intelligent and respectful manner, asking legitimate questions.  I tend to agree with you re. "pitchfork politics" and wouldn't ever recommend a "hold the government to ransom" type protest like this, however, now that it has happened, I'm not going to pretend I don't hope it will have some level of success.

Then there was the second half, which just came across as the ramblings of an angry drug-addled mind.  Trying to engage with that feels like it would be pointless.

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A lot of you seem to be making the same assessment mistake that our MPs have made, and that is thinking that the protestors are a rag-tag bunch of fringe types who are just there to cause a ruckus and have a bit of fun.  If that was the case, then making it a little more unpleasant, by playing annoying music or turning on the sprinklers might have worked.

However, most of the people there (obviously there will be at least a few that fall into the category I described above) are there because they are fundamentally opposed to the vaccine mandates.  A lot of them are vaccinated themselves, and there are a whole lot more vaccinated people around the country that support their efforts.  Because, the protest is not against vaccines, it is against vaccine mandates/the vaccine passport system. 

They are not there on a whim or for a bit of a laugh and, although being part of a cause they believe in deeply is rewarding, they'd also all rather it be over and to be able to go back to their far more comfortable homes.  So, making their unpleasant situation a little bit more unpleasant won't do jack; they're already battling through discomfort, so some annoying music is hardly going to make them give up.

As for them being mentally deficient, bottom-dwelling, mouth-breathing virgins etc., they're well supported (both on the ground in Wellington and around NZ) by plenty of highly successful, intelligent, educated people (with kids, to address the virgin pejorative).

For the record, the protest isn't an action I'd have chosen, I'm not going to be joining them in Wellington and I do feel for the local businesses that have been negatively affected (interesting to read the Backbenchers owner's recent comments though sounding pretty close to supporting the protesters), but now that they've started I'm very much hoping they're successful in bringing forward the end of the vaccine mandate system in NZ.  It worked for the Ihumatao protesters, and a win for the Wellington protesters would be far more beneficial to the general public of NZ than Ihumatao was.

I'm not sure where you are getting your information from,  but it seems likely that you are falling for the new PR spin that has now been applied, whereby the most extreme placards have been removed and the occupiers told to refrain from abuse, spitting and throwing things.   Some journalists are falling for it, others are continuing to look behind the scenes, where the lunatic beliefs are still in full force.   An example:   On the occupiers' private messageboard someone is convinced that they saw the late Paul Holmes in the crowd and that he didn't in fact die but was always a member of "the illuminati" and is now surfacing to help overthrow the government.

if you have a Twitter account, have a look at @te_taipo.  He has access to the occupiers's comms and tweets some gems.

You seem to be falling for the MSM spin where the focus all goes on the most extreme placards and repeated reports of spitting and abuse.  Yes, there are clearly undesirable elements in the crowd, but the general tone is pretty peaceful as evidenced by the families with kids happy to be amongst it all.