(22-12-2021, 07:34 AM)king1 Wrote: lol, so when you say Magoo,righty oh then kingi. dont get vaccinated, spread it far and wide. get your feeble exemption and a note from your mum for your mask. you obviously think more about your access to amenities the the health of others.
Quote: stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated
Are you and the Grandkids are gonna have big flashing signage hats of some sort, to ID yourselves to the rest of the unvaxxed.  How are these poor folk supposed to know who/where you are at any given time?  or should they be staying in a Magoo imposed isolation so there's no chance of that happening...
Only thinking of those with the genuine health reasons and medical exemptions. The antivaxxers could probably benefit from a face to face with you .
your little exemption pass does not stop you from spread.    the government has mandated vaccinations in many areas. this applies to all the unvaccinated, exempt or not, this is the meaning of the word mandate.
you pose just as big as a threat to us as an antivaxxer does. youre unvaccinated. end of. 
no excuses, stay home, stop looking for reasons to be special.
(22-12-2021, 07:41 AM)harm_less Wrote:et tu brute.(22-12-2021, 07:32 AM)Outsider Wrote: I object to that strongly!!I was very healthy for my age (74) but within 2 weeks had 3 episodes of shortness of breath, followed by an attack of Shingles (which I had been vaccinated for 3 years before). The nurse didn't even see me, only talked on the phone, and it is NOT correct that the problem happens straight after the vaccine but within 14 days (official web site info). What we have with all of this collection of magoo's broadwash dismissals of actual vaccine incidents is a demonstration the the militant pro-vaxxers can be every bit as one-eyed as the anti-vax brigade. He's already said he's not a doctor and his ignorance of medical matters sure confirms that.
I've had no more episodes of shortness of breath since and there has definitely been a link made with Shingles and the vaccine. In the UK people can go online to a special web site and report any of these things so that a pattern can be established but not here. I have been all for the vaccine and encouraged everyone to have it, but I don't like this secrecy over side effects - that's the sort of thing that makes people believe in conspiracies. The medical profession has to be open about these things or people will stop trusting them to do the right thing.
you feel ok sitting in a movie theatre unvaccinated surrounded by others? smugly sitting there thinking how no one can tell you arent vaccinated. nice. that sounds like an antivaxxer. you think you should be able to get on a plane with others because your medical exemption makes that possible and therefore deserve special treatment than an antivaxxer? you both pose the same risk... 
if you cannot for medical reasons get vaccinated why do you wish to get others sick? why are you so hell bent on sidestepping the mandates?.
the science is clear, unvaccinated people catch and spread more virulent strains, regardless of the reasons you are unvaccinated. covid doesnt give a fuck about your little exemption. 
knowing this you still want to be special and allowed into concerts etc?  you seem to have no compunction for anyone elses needs as long as your own are met.
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(22-12-2021, 07:32 AM)Outsider Wrote:you are 74 years old. you have made several untruths in your post. furthermore there is no one keeping any secrets about the side effects, thats just you trying to justify your scaremongering and paranoia. and no im not interested in debating your pseudo science and nit picking this and that. ive no time for excuse makers.(22-12-2021, 03:19 AM)Magoo Wrote: i cannot believe you are serious. he died getting the vaccine. he wasnt a whining scardey cat little bitch about it. he knew that to reach  critical mass to halt the spread of the virus and its variants we all need to be vaccinated.
like an educated, responsible caring person he went down to get his shot. he was healthy and low risk, he wasnt doing it for himself . ffs.
instead of quoting some facts you double down on stupid and tell another unsubstantiated story.
i dont consider myself lucky not to know anyone with a severe reaction because there arent any. just gossipy second hand accounts and misinformation scare tactics by the gutless parasite antivaxxers.  if this horseshit was true the media would be onto it as would the government, it would be documented and recorded. it isnt. stop telling fairytales. grow up.
these stories are lies and misinformation perpetuated by the ignorant, those that retell these fallacies are liars pure and simple. show me the documentation or shut up and stop bullshitting.
all due respect harmless, you are vulnerable due to a co-morbidity with cancer. all that talk was confusing and only applicable to your situation, not everyone else.
 80 million shots, extremely rare side effects, even rarer occurrence of death. millions of lives saved.
thats all a lay person needs to know. 
you do not know if any of the symptoms you displayed were due to the vaccine. cancer meds, cancer itself, too many bonbons. so many sources of discomfort to narrow it down to just the vaccine. sure the science sounds credible but unless it is not being recorded in monitored case study or for later peer review it remains anecdotal.
another friend. another story.
for the extremely rare occurrence by all means, get yourself the pass. stats showing less than 0.0004% of our population to be in this position. less than a hundred souls, rare indeed. the applications for exemption number in the thousands.
get yourself an exemption, stay unvaccinated, but stay the hell away from us, my grandkids dont have a magic exemption to make them special, they remain just as vulnerable. you might be exempt but you are still unvaccinated. the threat to us is not mitigated by your little certificate
go ahead, get an exemption, but the same restrictions should apply to you as any unvaccinated person. segregation, no travel, no movies, constant testing. i cannot see a valid reason to treat you any differently.
the nurse was right. why you wouldnt listen to a health professional says all i need to know.
i get shortness of breath. walking up a hill will do it. i also get shortness of breath when exposed to kapok or fine fiberglass dust. when i have a cold i get shortness of breath and a bit chesty and weezy.
blaming the vaccine is handy, and suits a narrative but again anecdotal antiscience  just another bedtime story .
I object to that strongly!!I was very healthy for my age (74) but within 2 weeks had 3 episodes of shortness of breath, followed by an attack of Shingles (which I had been vaccinated for 3 years before). The nurse didn't even see me, only talked on the phone, and it is NOT correct that the problem happens straight after the vaccine but within 14 days (official web site info). 
I've had no more episodes of shortness of breath since and there has definitely been a link made with Shingles and the vaccine. In the UK people can go online to a special web site and report any of these things so that a pattern can be established but not here. I have been all for the vaccine and encouraged everyone to have it, but I don't like this secrecy over side effects - that's the sort of thing that makes people believe in conspiracies. The medical profession has to be open about these things or people will stop trusting them to do the right thing.
So if you disappear out of view You know I will never say goodbye