This govt does not value women;pay equity

[Lilith7]

That, or they're a govt of misogynists.
They've stopped all pay equity claims, made it harder to claim for.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/560...e-new-ones



And saved this Govt's budget...




https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/560...ernment-pm

our glorious leader says this will save 'billions of dollars'...

Clearly, women struggling to siurvive do not matter to these people. I hope this loses these ruthless, pitiless people the next election. How dare they so clearly undervalue women & the work they do.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I bet though she wouldn't take a pay cut that reflected the statistical difference in pay equity most of her sister workers 'enjoy'...

Meanwhile, women continue to contribute billions to this economy that go unacknowledged, except by statisticians.

[dken31]

As ACT have said, the Pay Equity Act was noble in its intention but completely missed the mark. Scrapping it does not equal "wanting to be able to pay women less".

As reported, under the act, librarians were equated to fisheries officers with the difference in pay decided therefore to be due to gender discrimination. Whether librarians should be paid more, less or the same as fisheries officers is a debate you can have if you feel like it, but claiming that librarians are paid less "because it's predominantly a female occupation" is completely baseless.

[heisenberg]

do the same job get the same pay is fair enough, of course why should a female CEO get paid more than a male streetsweeper its obviously unfair

[Praktica]

do the same job get the same pay is fair enough, of course why should a female CEO get paid more than a male streetsweeper its obviously unfair

All CEOs should be paid the same as street sweepers...

[king1]

I agree with shifting that 60% threshold to 70%, for roles ÔÇ£predominantly performed by female employeesÔÇØ. 60% is only a bit above average, far removed from a workforce dominated by one or other gender.

I would have thought 75-80 would be more accurate - what was the logic behind keeping it so low?

[Lilith7]

I bet though she wouldn't take a pay cut that reflected the statistical difference in pay equity most of her sister workers 'enjoy'...

Meanwhile, women continue to contribute billions to this economy that go unacknowledged, except by statisticians.

No of course she wouldn't; because she's 'different' & her (alleged) job is so 'special'...

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As ACT have said, the Pay Equity Act was noble in its intention but completely missed the mark. Scrapping it does not equal "wanting to be able to pay women less".

As reported, under the act, librarians were equated to fisheries officers with the difference in pay decided therefore to be due to gender discrimination.  Whether librarians should be paid more, less or the same as fisheries officers is a debate you can have if you feel like it, but claiming that librarians are paid less "because it's predominantly a female occupation" is completely baseless.

Really? Then what do you think it does equate to, if not exactly that....

And anything designed to deliberatey disadvantage a section of society cannot under any circumstances be called in any way "noble"

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do the same job get the same pay is fair enough, of course why should a female CEO get paid more than a male streetsweeper its obviously unfair

All CEOs should be paid the same as street sweepers...

Brilliant! That could work...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Ever heard of Lysistrata? She sorted out a few misogynists in her time.

I do wonder though how long we'd last if women declared just a single 24 hours of general strike...

No working, no caregiving, no managing, no buying, no sex...

[Lilith7]

This says it all


https://www.facebook.com/reel/1187525385896663

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Ever heard of Lysistrata? She sorted out a few misogynists in her time.

I do wonder though how long we'd last if women declared just a single 24 hours of general strike...

No working, no caregiving, no managing, no buying, no sex...

Ah yes...Lysistrata!


Yep, I think really 24 hours could work, only thing is those caring for people who need someone with them might have to get someone to cover for them.

If they can...

[dken31]

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As ACT have said, the Pay Equity Act was noble in its intention but completely missed the mark. Scrapping it does not equal "wanting to be able to pay women less".
As reported, under the act, librarians were equated to fisheries officers with the difference in pay decided therefore to be due to gender discrimination.  Whether librarians should be paid more, less or the same as fisheries officers is a debate you can have if you feel like it, but claiming that librarians are paid less "because it's predominantly a female occupation" is completely baseless.

Really? Then what do you think it does equate to, if not exactly that....
And anything designed to deliberatey disadvantage a section of society cannot under any circumstances be called in any way "noble"

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I said the Pay Equity Act was noble in its intention. 

As to what scrapping it equates to, it equates to getting rid of nobly intended but poorly executed legislation.  Despite its name, the Act doesn't actually achieve its goal of ensuring that everyone is paid the same rate for the same amount of "comparable" work.  At best, it just creates different inequities

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Ever heard of Lysistrata? She sorted out a few misogynists in her time.
I do wonder though how long we'd last if women declared just a single 24 hours of general strike...
No working, no caregiving, no managing, no buying, no sex...

And how long would we last if men declared a general strike?  I don't think you would be able to find any sane person who would seriously argue that either strike wouldn't be immensely disruptive, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Men have declared general strikes, and women kept feeding them, looking after their kids, doing their laundry, dusting their homes, and giving them cuddles.

See, the difference is we keep providing the necessities, and letting men do the important stuff, like politics, and boardrooms, and declaring war. But when we try to say, hey, we are people first, women second, then men like that ACT person and his sycophantic hand selected minions start putting us back in our place.

It's okay dken, we're used to it. We'll still cook your dinner, make your bed, and serve you at the supermarket. Don't you worry...

[Lilith7]

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Really? Then what do you think it does equate to, if not exactly that....
And anything designed to deliberatey disadvantage a section of society cannot under any circumstances be called in any way "noble"

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I said the Pay Equity Act was noble in its intention. 

As to what scrapping it equates to, it equates to getting rid of nobly intended but poorly executed legislation.  Despite its name, the Act doesn't actually achieve its goal of ensuring that everyone is paid the same rate for the same amount of "comparable" work.  At best, it just creates different inequities

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Ever heard of Lysistrata? She sorted out a few misogynists in her time.
I do wonder though how long we'd last if women declared just a single 24 hours of general strike...
No working, no caregiving, no managing, no buying, no sex...

And how long would we last if men declared a general strike?  I don't think you would be able to find any sane person who would seriously argue that either strike wouldn't be immensely disruptive, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

The point - which you seem to be doing your best to avoid - is that women are paid less than men.
THAT is the basis of this, & I find it extremely difficult to believe that ACT had anything other than financial gain to some at the expense of others in mind.

They are after all an extreme rightwing Neo Liberal party...

Women should be paid the very same wage as are men.

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Men have declared general strikes, and women kept feeding them, looking after their kids, doing their laundry, dusting their homes, and giving them cuddles.

See, the difference is we keep providing the necessities, and letting men do the important stuff, like politics, and boardrooms, and declaring war. But when we try to say, hey, we are people first, women second, then men like that ACT person and his sycophantic hand selected minions start putting us back in our place.

It's okay dken, we're used to it. We'll still cook your dinner, make your bed, and serve you at the supermarket. Don't you worry...

Yeah....that cooking thing? Fairly sure I know where I can lay my hands on some hemlock.....

(For anyone inclinded to attempt making that comment something it definitely is not, That was a JOKING REMARK....)


And lets not forget that women too have helped fight wars.

[heisenberg]

Lilith7
dken31



Women should be paid the very same wage as are men.

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Oh_hunnihunni

for doing the same job

[Oh_hunnihunni]

But we aren't. Are we heisenberg? And now, all those researched challenges that might have demonstrated the fact are wiped out, to save money. Taxpayers money. Despite the fact women make up more than half the number of taxpayers, if not half the taxes paid.

Interesting side note, they could make more than this saving if everyone paid their taxes at a fair and equitable rate.

https://retirement.govt.nz/policy-and-research/women

[Lilith7]

But we aren't. Are we heisenberg? And now, all those researched challenges that might have demonstrated the fact are wiped out, to save money. Taxpayers money. Despite the fact women make up more than half the number of taxpayers, if not half the taxes paid.

Interesting side note, they could make more than this saving if everyone paid their taxes at a fair and equitable rate.

https://retirement.govt.nz/policy-and-research/women

Yeah - but that would mean that the wealthy people might have to pay their share! Jeez...why else do they buy gotvs if not to avoid paying their share.

The system stinks. It needs to change.

Although - the one bright spot in all of this is that I suspect that this govt will come to regret kicking women in the teeth; I think this will almost certainly lose them the next election. It certainly deserves to, the miserable sods.

[Lilith7]

I'd forgotten this:
Perhaps we should do what Icelandic women did - strike.


https://participedia.net/case/icelandic-...importance.

[Lilith7]

Anne Salmond. She won't be right, mate.

"Do none of the male MP's who voted for this have mothers, sisters, daughters?'

"Nicola Willis, when the Equal Pay Amendment was introduced in 2020 said "This is an important moment. Equal pay matters."

https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-s...ight-mate/

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think men think giving women equity takes something away from the men.

The ramifications of that position is worrying.

[Lilith7]

I think men think giving women equity takes something away from the men.

The ramifications of that position is worrying.

Surely they must know better after all this time.


Someone on FB this morning claiming that it's a 'communist agenda'....

[Oh_hunnihunni]

No, they can be very slow on the uptake, bless them.

But they do have very cute bums.