Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences

[Lilith7]

Fantastic - now, even more people will become hardened criminals, bitter,twisted & keen to give a massive special salute to society..


WHY? Why the devil do right wing politicians appear unable to see past the bash bash short term 'solution' fgs? 
Mark Mitchell seems unable to comprehend that other ways can & do, get far better long term results. He gives the impression of being a mercikess bully.

Or is it that they DO for reasons unknown actually want a large group of people constantly committing crimes, returning to prison again & again...?! How the devil can they be so very stupid.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5599...eoffending

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They're very keen to lock people up, not so keen on having to deal with the consequences of that...


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside...ment-rates

[heisenberg]

Fantastic - now, even more people will become hardened criminals, bitter,twisted & keen to give a massive special salute to society..


WHY? Why the devil do right wing politicians appear unable to see past the bash bash short term 'solution' fgs? 
Mark Mitchell seems unable to comprehend that other ways can & do, get far better long term results. He gives the impression of being a mercikess bully.

Or is it that they DO for reasons unknown actually want a large group of people constantly committing crimes, returning to prison again & again...?! How the devil can they be so very stupid.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5599...eoffending

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They're very keen to lock people up, not so keen on having to deal with the consequences of that...


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside...ment-rates

whats your solution

[dken31]

Did you read the bit about people with longer sentences having more access to rehabilitation and having more successful re-entry into society?

The data shows that people who serve longer sentences are less likely to re-offend, so your insinuation that longer sentences turn people into hardened criminals that are more likely to re-offend isn't actually supported by the facts.

[Praktica]

Did you read the bit about people with longer sentences having more access to rehabilitation and having more successful re-entry into society?

The data shows that people who serve longer sentences are less likely to re-offend, so your insinuation that longer sentences turn people into hardened criminals that are more likely to re-offend isn't actually supported by the facts.

Really? https://www.vera.org/news/research-shows-that-long-prison-sentences-dont-actually-improve-safety

[king1]

Did you read the bit about people with longer sentences having more access to rehabilitation and having more successful re-entry into society?

The data shows that people who serve longer sentences are less likely to re-offend, so your insinuation that longer sentences turn people into hardened criminals that are more likely to re-offend isn't actually supported by the facts.

which data are you referencing?

[harm_less]

Did you read the bit about people with longer sentences having more access to rehabilitation and having more successful re-entry into society?

The data shows that people who serve longer sentences are less likely to re-offend, so your insinuation that longer sentences turn people into hardened criminals that are more likely to re-offend isn't actually supported by the facts.

heisenburg is definitely not a fan of long sentences. Usually seems to have trouble stringing more than half a dozen words together and punctuation is totally off the menu.

[heisenberg]

Did you read the bit about people with longer sentences having more access to rehabilitation and having more successful re-entry into society?

The data shows that people who serve longer sentences are less likely to re-offend, so your insinuation that longer sentences turn people into hardened criminals that are more likely to re-offend isn't actually supported by the facts.

heisenburg is definitely not a fan of long sentences. Usually seems to have trouble stringing more than half a dozen words together and punctuation is totally off the menu.

and the horse you rode in on

[harm_less]

heisenburg is definitely not a fan of long sentences. Usually seems to have trouble stringing more than half a dozen words together and punctuation is totally off the menu.

and the horse you rode in on

I rest my case

[Lilith7]

Fantastic - now, even more people will become hardened criminals, bitter,twisted & keen to give a massive special salute to society..


WHY? Why the devil do right wing politicians appear unable to see past the bash bash short term 'solution' fgs? 
Mark Mitchell seems unable to comprehend that other ways can & do, get far better long term results. He gives the impression of being a mercikess bully.

Or is it that they DO for reasons unknown actually want a large group of people constantly committing crimes, returning to prison again & again...?! How the devil can they be so very stupid.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5599...eoffending

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They're very keen to lock people up, not so keen on having to deal with the consequences of that...


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside...ment-rates

whats your solution

They could do worse than to look at what other countries are doing. While no system is perfect, some countries are managing to do better than others.

Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates, only 20% of formerly incarcerated committ another crime within two years of release. And there are fewer people going to prison.
Prior to the reforms in the 19190's their recidivist rate was  in the 60% to 70%, they're clearly doing somthing right...

https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/n...ism%20rate.

[Praktica]

whats your solution

They could do worse than to look at what other countries are doing. While no system is perfect, some countries are managing to do better than others.

Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates, only 20% of formerly incarcerated committ another crime within two years of release. And there are fewer people going to prison.
Prior to the reforms in the 19190's their recidivist rate was  in the 60% to 70%, they're clearly doing somthing right...

https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/n...ism%20rate.

Wouldn't work here - it requires intelligence on the part of policymakers and the spending of money - and what would lazy politicians do if they couldn't whip up unease and hate in the unthinking fools who support them?

[heisenberg]

whats your solution

They could do worse than to look at what other countries are doing. While no system is perfect, some countries are managing to do better than others.

Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates, only 20% of formerly incarcerated committ another crime within two years of release. And there are fewer people going to prison.
Prior to the reforms in the 19190's their recidivist rate was  in the 60% to 70%, they're clearly doing somthing right...

https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/n...ism%20rate.

what does NZ have the Norway doesnt have

[Lilith7]

They could do worse than to look at what other countries are doing. While no system is perfect, some countries are managing to do better than others.

Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates, only 20% of formerly incarcerated committ another crime within two years of release. And there are fewer people going to prison.
Prior to the reforms in the 19190's their recidivist rate was  in the 60% to 70%, they're clearly doing somthing right...

https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/n...ism%20rate.

Wouldn't work here - it requires intelligence on the part of policymakers and the spending of money - and what would lazy politicians do if they couldn't whip up unease and hate in the unthinking fools who support them?

Well - yes, they are talented at doing exactly that!

It seems that often the one thing all our politicians have in common is a reluctance - or perhaps an inability, to take a long term view.

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They could do worse than to look at what other countries are doing. While no system is perfect, some countries are managing to do better than others.

Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates, only 20% of formerly incarcerated committ another crime within two years of release. And there are fewer people going to prison.
Prior to the reforms in the 19190's their recidivist rate was  in the 60% to 70%, they're clearly doing somthing right...

https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/n...ism%20rate.

what does NZ have the Norway doesnt have

Idiot politiicans...?

[heisenberg]

Praktica

what does NZ have the Norway doesnt have

Idiot politiicans...?

think again

[Lilith7]

Praktica

Idiot politiicans...?

think again

Nope, idiot politicians fits the bill; no long term views & action whatever..

[heisenberg]

think again

Nope, idiot politicians fits the bill; no long term views & action whatever..

seeing as you are dodging the fact what we have that they don't is the particular ethnic group that fills our prisons

[king1]

Nope, idiot politicians fits the bill; no long term views & action whatever..

seeing as you are dodging the fact what we have that they don't is the particular ethnic group that fills our prisons

Norway have the Sami?

from google 

Culture:
The Sami have a distinct culture, including traditional practices like reindeer herding, music (including "yoik"), and arts. 

Rights:
The Sami have legal rights as indigenous people in Norway, including the right to protect and develop their language, culture, and community life. 

Historical context:
The Sami have a long history in the region, facing persecution in the past as Scandinavian nation-states expanded and took charge of traditional Sami territories. 

Contemporary status:
The Sami are experiencing a renaissance of their culture and are making strides in reclaiming their identity.

[Lilith7]

Nope, idiot politicians fits the bill; no long term views & action whatever..

seeing as you are dodging the fact what we have that they don't is the particular ethnic group that fills our prisons

Oh really huh? You might want to check into what causes that & NO, not always down to parenting.

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seeing as you are dodging the fact what we have that they don't is the particular ethnic group that fills our prisons

Norway have the Sami?

from google 

Culture:
The Sami have a distinct culture, including traditional practices like reindeer herding, music (including "yoik"), and arts. 

Rights:
The Sami have legal rights as indigenous people in Norway, including the right to protect and develop their language, culture, and community life. 

Historical context:
The Sami have a long history in the region, facing persecution in the past as Scandinavian nation-states expanded and took charge of traditional Sami territories. 

Contemporary status:
The Sami are experiencing a renaissance of their culture and are making strides in reclaiming their identity.

Yes absolutely, they've begun to be far more recognised & included,than formerly.

[heisenberg]

seeing as you are dodging the fact what we have that they don't is the particular ethnic group that fills our prisons

Oh really huh? You might want to check into what causes that & NO, not always down to parenting.

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king1

what causes that then, colonialism ?

[king1]

Oh really huh? You might want to check into what causes that & NO, not always down to parenting.

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king1

what causes that then, colonialism ?

you don't feel like we as a society should bare any responsibility for that?  

Colonialism explains it in a crude way, but it was the actions of successive governments between then and now that has shaped society over the last couple of centuries... and we still seem to be  perpetuating the same behaviours that caused this problem we have in the first place...

[zqwerty]

How NZ's bank rules make life for ex-prisoners even harder

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5601...ven-harder