Wuhan lab was studying monkeypox 3 months ago...

[C_T_Russell]

Along with NIH, what a co-incidence!

Dr Campbell covering this right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6cD-VWhQY

[Praktica]

Oh dear - cue all sorts of foolish crap from CTers!

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Does this nurse trainer mention monkeypox is transmitted through ultra close contact making it pretty much an std? Therefore contracting it is voluntary?

Or is this just yet another opportunity to boost his ratings among the poorly educated and deliberately ignorant?

[harm_less]

Does this nurse trainer mention monkeypox is transmitted through ultra close contact making it pretty much an std? Therefore contracting it is voluntary?

Or is this just yet another opportunity to boost his ratings among the poorly educated and deliberately ignorant?

So by extrapolation you're suggesting that chickpox is also an STD by the same reason? Earlier posts by Dr Campbell have provided ample info on the transmissibility factors involved with monkeypox.

Dr Campbell makes some valid suggestions but also stops short of extending his discussion to the recent lockdown of Shanghai and other Chinese cities which included forced extermination of pets. A few too many 'coincidences' there for my liking.

Those criticising Dr Campbell should also note that his YouTube channel remains live while those who are espousing CTs relating to COVID without reliable documented evidence have had their social media accounts shut down. It would appear that Dr Campbell's referencing of the subjects he discusses are positioning him apart from the mindless rabble.

[C_T_Russell]

Oh dear - cue all sorts of foolish crap from CTers!

I just go by facts and what we know. Not trying to speculate, but there is cause for concern that should not be looked at.

Thats why I like Dr Campbell, he is a qualified doctor and he always presents well cited, reliable sources.
We obviously cant link this monkeypox outbreak 100% to the lab, but it is something we should not discount as a possibility.

Only time will tell.

[Olive]

Oh dear - cue all sorts of foolish crap from CTers!

I just go by facts and what we know. Not trying to speculate, but there is cause for concern that should not be looked at.

Thats why I like Dr Campbell, he is a qualified doctor and he always presents well cited, reliable sources.
We obviously cant link this monkeypox outbreak 100% to the lab, but it is something we should not discount as a possibility.

Only time will tell.

Campbell is not a "qualified doctor": he does not have a medical degree, he is a retired nurse educator whose doctorate is in nursing.   His status was debunked long ago and I'm not sure why you are so out of date given your enthusiasm for fringe theories.

[C_T_Russell]

Does this nurse trainer mention monkeypox is transmitted through ultra close contact making it pretty much an std? Therefore contracting it is voluntary?

Or is this just yet another opportunity to boost his ratings among the poorly educated and deliberately ignorant?

So by extrapolation you're suggesting that chickpox is also an STD by the same reason? Earlier posts by Dr Campbell have provided ample info on the transmissibility factors involved with monkeypox.

Dr Campbell makes some valid suggestions but also stops short of extending his discussion to the recent lockdown of Shanghai and other Chinese cities which included forced extermination of pets. A few too many 'coincidences' there for my liking.

Those criticising Dr Campbell should also note that his YouTube channel remains live while those who are espousing CTs relating to COVID without reliable documented evidence have had their social media accounts shut down. It would appear that Dr Campbell's referencing of the subjects he discusses are positioning him apart from the mindless rabble.

As far as monkeypox being an STD, there is not really even really much evidence to support this, its more that close bodily contact spreads it.
The media seem to have portrayed it in this way by saying its spread amongst a few homosexuals, therefore people automatically imply that its an STD.

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I just go by facts and what we know. Not trying to speculate, but there is cause for concern that should not be looked at.

Thats why I like Dr Campbell, he is a qualified doctor and he always presents well cited, reliable sources.
We obviously cant link this monkeypox outbreak 100% to the lab, but it is something we should not discount as a possibility.

Only time will tell.

Campbell is not a "qualified doctor": he does not have a medical degree, he is a retired nurse educator whose doctorate is in nursing.   His status was debunked long ago and I'm not sure why you are so out of date given your enthusiasm for fringe theories.

Firstly, I never ever said that this lab is responsible, only that its extremley co-incidental, l myself like Dr Campbell will let everyone come to their own conclusions.
As far as covid goes, the media have ever been more supportive of the wuhan lab leak theory, check out 60 Minutes Australia regarding that.

And yes he is a "doctor" thats his legal title, doesnt matter if he trained nurses or not, he has had the same medical training as most doctors and should be a good source of info.

[harm_less]

Campbell is not a "qualified doctor": he does not have a medical degree, he is a retired nurse educator whose doctorate is in nursing.   His status was debunked long ago and I'm not sure why you are so out of date given your enthusiasm for fringe theories.

Firstly, I never ever said that this lab is responsible, only that its extremley co-incidental, l myself like Dr Campbell will let everyone come to their own conclusions.
As far as covid goes, the media have ever been more supportive of the wuhan lab leak theory, check out 60 Minutes Australia regarding that.

And yes he is a "doctor" thats his legal title, doesnt matter if he trained nurses or not, he has had the same medical training as most doctors and should be a good source of info.

Link to 60 Minutes expos├®:

[king1]

Dr John Campbells education from his linked page
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b


Education

The University of Bolton
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.)Teaching bioscience in national and international nurse education.
2011 - 2013

Lancaster University
MScHealth Science
1996 - 1998
Health Science

Lancaster University
Post Graduate Certificate in PharmacologyPharmacologyGood
1995 - 1997

The Open University
BScBiology and health2.1
1986 - 1991
Biology ad Health

The Open University
Bachelor of Arts (B.A.)
1986 - 1990

York St. John University
Certificate in EducationNurse EducationGood
1988 - 1989

Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine
Certificate in Tropical DiseasesTropical Diseases
1986 - 1986

University of London
Diploma in Nursing
1982 - 1984

[SueDonim]

So Dr Campbell is here again. Some people give him far too much credence. Overall I think he sits on a line where are lot of what he says is reasonably right (which is why he doesn't get shut down), but he somehow twists things around to induce fear and overall be misleading (which is why I wish he was shut down).


Dr Campbell was an Emergency Nurse and now has a PhD in nursing education. That is NOT a medical degree. He is in no way a medical doctor. A nurse's work is vastly different from that of a medical doctor, and nursing education is about teaching people how to be nurses. I would expect him to understand evidence and the basics of how the body works, but he is not a virologist, immunologist, epidemiologist or infectious disease specialist. And therefore is not qualified to teach those aspects of a viral pandemic. Only the aspects of how to look after patients who have been admitted to hospital and may need specialist nursing care to keep them alive.


He is 65 years old and his thesis was published in 2013, making him 56 at the time which shows he is part of the growing trend of aging nurses studying for doctorates at the pinnacle of their careers, and then retiring soon after, as Campbell has certainly done. During his career he wrote a couple of books on physiology and pathophysiology. They were well known at the time but no longer have current editions. So his work is old and his knowledge at risk of being out of date. Ten years is one hell of a long time in the health sector, especially when there's a pandemic raging.


In 2020 Campbell formed a company called Campbell Teaching Ltd which appears to be just him and his wife operating it. The registration for this company includes a classification in the category of video production, which is presumably about the YouTube videos he publishes.


These videos have received mixed reception. Wikipedia criticises them for misinformation and being misleading. That in itself is not greatly credible on its own, but when you start to watch his material it has serious elements of misinformation at times.


I have looked at some of Campbell's videos over the course of the pandemic. I don't think I've ever watched one all the way through until now. I get bored and annoyed at the discrepancies and incorrect information he presents and usually give up. This time I did look through the recent monkey pox one. On the whole it wasn't too bad, but he waffles on interminably. What he said could have been said in a couple of minutes. I saw him confuse the terms endemic and epidemic and he also said kb was kilo byte when in this context it is kilobases and he should know better. He doesn't know the terms ÔÇ£immunity gapÔÇØ and ÔÇ£ecological nicheÔÇØ even though they are well used elsewhere.


The information about him is all from freely accessible resources on the internet. If you are going to search yourselves, his name is John Lorimer Campbell, a sometimes important distinction to find the right person among others with a similar name, eg Prof. John Campbell, PhD who is an immunologist. Different person.


His presentations all need to be watched with a hefty dose critical analysis to weed the bumpf from the sense. If you have the skills to do that, you will be looking up real information on places like PubMed.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Very close contact is required for transmission. Hence chicken pox going through families and the peer groups of children. It is a proximity transmission that beats covid hands down. Fortunately it isn't fatal...

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So Dr Campbell is here again. Some people give him far too much credence. Overall I think he sits on a line where are lot of what he says is reasonably right (which is why he doesn't get shut down), but he somehow twists things around to induce fear and overall be misleading (which is why I wish he was shut down).


Dr Campbell was an Emergency Nurse and now has a PhD in nursing education. That is NOT a medical degree. He is in no way a medical doctor. A nurse's work is vastly different from that of a medical doctor, and nursing education is about teaching people how to be nurses. I would expect him to understand evidence and the basics of how the body works, but he is not a virologist, immunologist, epidemiologist or infectious disease specialist. And therefore is not qualified to teach those aspects of a viral pandemic. Only the aspects of how to look after patients who have been admitted to hospital and may need specialist nursing care to keep them alive.


He is 65 years old and his thesis was published in 2013, making him 56 at the time which shows he is part of the growing trend of aging nurses studying for doctorates at the pinnacle of their careers, and then retiring soon after, as Campbell has certainly done. During his career he wrote a couple of books on physiology and pathophysiology. They were well known at the time but no longer have current editions. So his work is old and his knowledge at risk of being out of date. Ten years is one hell of a long time in the health sector, especially when there's a pandemic raging.


In 2020 Campbell formed a company called Campbell Teaching Ltd which appears to be just him and his wife operating it. The registration for this company includes a classification in the category of video production, which is presumably about the YouTube videos he publishes.


These videos have received mixed reception. Wikipedia criticises them for misinformation and being misleading. That in itself is not greatly credible on its own, but when you start to watch his material it has serious elements of misinformation at times.


I have looked at some of Campbell's videos over the course of the pandemic. I don't think I've ever watched one all the way through until now. I get bored and annoyed at the discrepancies and incorrect information he presents and usually give up. This time I did look through the recent monkey pox one. On the whole it wasn't too bad, but he waffles on interminably. What he said could have been said in a couple of minutes. I saw him confuse the terms endemic and epidemic and he also said kb was kilo byte when in this context it is kilobases and he should know better. He doesn't know the terms ÔÇ£immunity gapÔÇØ and ÔÇ£ecological nicheÔÇØ even though they are well used elsewhere.


The information about him is all from freely accessible resources on the internet. If you are going to search yourselves, his name is John Lorimer Campbell, a sometimes important distinction to find the right person among others with a similar name, eg Prof. John Campbell, PhD who is an immunologist. Different person.


His presentations all need to be watched with a hefty dose critical analysis to weed the bumpf from the sense. If you have the skills to do that, you will be looking up real information on places like PubMed.

He is an attention seeker. Like his followers...

[harm_less]

He is an attention seeker. Like his followers...

But his academic credentials and well documented referencing are hard to counter, and annoy the shit out of his detractors.

[SueDonim]

His academic credentials are moderate - not up to date and not relevant to what he is espousing - and his interpretation of the material he references leaves a lot to be desired.

[harm_less]

His academic credentials are moderate - not up to date and not relevant to what he is espousing - and his interpretation of the material he references leaves a lot to be desired.

In regard to the numerous criticisms in your earlier post what credentials do you have to have such expertise over another academic? Just curious to know how seriously to take your comments.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

On the basis of past posts by SueDonim I take their comments very seriously. I don't always agree with them, nor do I share some of their politics, but I have yet to find any traces of ignorance, bias, or misinformation in them. I have a lot of respect for this poster especially in the way the posts are constructed, with civility and consideration.

Academic credentials are a measure of effort, time management, and focus. Posts though are an ongoing measure of intelligence, in my opinion. I know which I prefer...

[Olive]

On the basis of past posts by SueDonim I take their comments very seriously. I don't always agree with them, nor do I share some of their politics, but I have yet to find any traces of ignorance, bias, or misinformation in them. I have a lot of respect for this poster especially in the way the posts are constructed, with civility and consideration....

I agree. I certainly don't share some of their political and economic views but I respect their thoughtful and polite posts.

[SueDonim]

His academic credentials are moderate - not up to date and not relevant to what he is espousing - and his interpretation of the material he references leaves a lot to be desired.

In regard to the numerous criticisms in your earlier post what credentials do you have to have such expertise over another academic? Just curious to know how seriously to take your comments.

I spent 40+ years in an information management profession, including training roles. The second half of my career was in the health sector where I worked closely with people from the whole range of employment disciplines (nursing, medical and allied health) and levels (student through to consultant). I started out long before formal qualifications were necessary, but did a masters paper (successfully) a few years before I retired.

Thank you olive and oh_hunnihunni for your comments.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

One of the things post grad education gives is the skillbase to sort information, assess its validity, and judge its worth. It is an analytic skill that is learned and is inclined to filter through into other forms of communication. When that learning is built on top of career experience it becomes even more solidly embedded into conversation.

I think it is that real flavour (?) that I pick up on in your posts, and while I may take issue with other aspects I do not doubt your integrity. So, I wasn't blowing smoke up your arse for the sake of it, it was just straight respect, no thanks necessary...

Interesting thing about that though is how those consciously and unconsciously layered flavours or textures in conversations can send messages in parallel to the spoken or written word. Like body language or facial expressions do even more overtly in real life. And we do read them, even in written posts, it explains why we make judgements about people we have never met, and why we respond emotionally to mere words...