Latest poll out: Labour v National

[Wainuiguy]

I very much doubt the party elected her to the leadership because of her achievements. She won that at a time when the alternatives were few and reluctant. And boy, was that a good move by the Labour party. Had they picked someone else the Nats might still be in the job.

And we would be a very different country.

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Just a thought DP, but if attacking the PM as a person is all you can offer by way of political argument, we left leaning nut jobs have already won the day.

Just as Labour seems able to do with very little challenge.

Im sorry please point out where I attacked her as a person?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Where ever you use 'she' or 'her' might give you a clue...

[Wainuiguy]

Where ever you use 'she' or 'her' might give you a clue...

Should I have used they/them?

I attacked HER record as a politician.  Not HER as a person.  Please learn the difference.

[Olive]

I very much doubt the party elected her to the leadership because of her achievements. She won that at a time when the alternatives were few and reluctant. And boy, was that a good move by the Labour party. Had they picked someone else the Nats might still be in the job.

And we would be a very different country.

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Just a thought DP, but if attacking the PM as a person is all you can offer by way of political argument, we left leaning nut jobs have already won the day.

Just as Labour seems able to do with very little challenge.

As another left leaning nut job may I say - well said Hunni!

[Wainuiguy]

I very much doubt the party elected her to the leadership because of her achievements. She won that at a time when the alternatives were few and reluctant. And boy, was that a good move by the Labour party. Had they picked someone else the Nats might still be in the job.

And we would be a very different country.

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Just a thought DP, but if attacking the PM as a person is all you can offer by way of political argument, we left leaning nut jobs have already won the day.

Just as Labour seems able to do with very little challenge.

As another left leaning nut job may I say - well said Hunni!

Funny that had she gone through the normal process at the time to find a new leader it is highly likely she wouldn't have been picked.

[yousnoozeyoulose]

Where ever you use 'she' or 'her' might give you a clue...

Should I have used they/them?

I attacked HER record as a politician.  Not HER as a person.  Please learn the difference.

Good god man, I disappear for 40 minutes of intense cardiovascular workout, and come back to find you've dug yourself an even bigger hole. You're such a wonderful little plaything for us lefties

[Wainuiguy]

Should I have used they/them?

I attacked HER record as a politician.  Not HER as a person.  Please learn the difference.

Good god man, I disappear for 40 minutes of intense cardiovascular workout, and come back to find you've dug yourself an even bigger hole. You're such a wonderful little plaything for us lefties

Is that what you call tossing one off?

Maybe you can help hunni out as to where I personally attacked Ardern? Hunni seems to think that if I use she and her it is an attack on her personally.

[Olive]

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Maybe you can help hunni out as to where I personally attached Ardern.....

Did you attach her to your patented helicopter ?

[Wainuiguy]

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Maybe you can help hunni out as to where I personally attached Ardern.....

Did you attach her to your patented helicopter ?

You know when you have won an argument?
When someone brings up typos rather than address what is being said.

[yousnoozeyoulose]

You know when you have won an argument?

Personally, when someone asks if you were tossing for 40 minutes then you know they've got nothing. But please continue dancing for us, you do it so well

[Olive]

Did you attach her to your patented helicopter ?

You know when you have won an argument?
When someone brings up typos rather than address what is being said.

Nah, it just means that your typos are more interesting than your stale polemic.

[Wainuiguy]

You know when you have won an argument?

Personally, when someone asks if you were tossing for 40 minutes then you know they've got nothing. But please continue dancing for us, you do it so well

Still waiting for someone to post where I personally attacked Ardern.

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You know when you have won an argument?
When someone brings up typos rather than address what is being said.

Nah, it just means that your typos are more interesting than your stale polemic.

The fact you focus only on the typos suggests you have little to offer as a counter argument.

[Magoo]

i dont think the wheels are falling off for labour.
it could never stay as high as it was.
i think there might be a shift in thinking from covid to economy.
we had the right person/party in place at the right time. it was serendipitous really.
everyone knows that fiscal responsibility is not something the left excel at
so now the right will start to look more attractive, especially to business interests and the employable.
tis the ebb and flow of social consciousness as we react to a changing environment

[king1]

So, to summarise this thread....

Left Wing Nut Jobs still ahead

Nat supporters still bitter...

Have I got that right?

[Magoo]

im neither a national nor labour supporter.
my bitterness is au naturel

[Lilith7]

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not good to interrupt governments in the middle of a war (epidemic)
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Exactly right.  This is a war and political parties should be working together (or at least supporting the fight) to keep the enemy virus under control. 

Of course many people are anxious and edgy, but it's a shame this energy is not being directed at the actual enemy rather than being diffused into petty undermining of the government and its advisors.

Excellent point - when the world, & our govt is dealing with a pandemic is not the time to be criticising at every opportunity. Disagree by all means but keep it civil rather than exaggerating & getting nasty; this is very definitely NOT the time to stick the knife in, instead it calls for something foreign to political parties & that is supporting govt & working together, at least until covid is beaten.

[Olive]

i dont think the wheels are falling off for labour.
it could never stay as high as it was.
i think there might be a shift in thinking from covid to economy.
we had the right person/party in place at the right time. it was serendipitous really.
everyone knows that fiscal responsibility is not something the left excel at
so now the right will start to look more attractive, especially to business interests and the employable.
tis the ebb and flow of social consciousness as we react to a changing environment

Yes.   And governments never get credit for disasters and failures that they have avoided.   But I think by election time plenty of voters will recognise the extraordinary success of Labour in getting us through three years of pandemic with fewer casualties than anywhere else in the world.

[Wainuiguy]

i dont think the wheels are falling off for labour.
it could never stay as high as it was.
i think there might be a shift in thinking from covid to economy.
we had the right person/party in place at the right time. it was serendipitous really.
everyone knows that fiscal responsibility is not something the left excel at
so now the right will start to look more attractive, especially to business interests and the employable.
tis the ebb and flow of social consciousness as we react to a changing environment

Yes.   And governments never get credit for disasters and failures that they have avoided.   But I think by election time plenty of voters will recognise the extraordinary success of Labour in getting us through three years of pandemic with fewer casualties than anywhere else in the world.

And yet polling numbers suggest the opposite.
Labour has had a 10% reduction in support since last election and not a lot on the horizon that would stop that fall.

[king1]

Yes.   And governments never get credit for disasters and failures that they have avoided.   But I think by election time plenty of voters will recognise the extraordinary success of Labour in getting us through three years of pandemic with fewer casualties than anywhere else in the world.

And yet polling numbers suggest the opposite.
Labour has had a 10% reduction in support since last election and not a lot on the horizon that would stop that fall.

any seasoned politician will tell you it's only the vote on the day that counts.  One less than favourable result isn't exactly the kind of cataclysmic collapse that National suffered - it's a non-event...

[Wainuiguy]

And yet polling numbers suggest the opposite.
Labour has had a 10% reduction in support since last election and not a lot on the horizon that would stop that fall.

any seasoned politician will tell you it's only the vote on the day that counts.  One less than favourable result isn't exactly the kind of cataclysmic collapse that National suffered - it's a non-event...

But what trend is showing?  I can almost guarantee that there are a few worried conversations being had in Labour circles.  Is this why 3 Waters was delayed?