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There is a danger in recalling past experiences in that they are now shaded by later knowledge. It is that apple and Eve thing, a loss of innocence. What we do at one time for reasons that obviously we find acceptable can be completely turned around when spotlit by a different kind of a glare.
Soldiers for instance often come to seriously regret and are even later traumatised by recalling what they did under battle conditions. Teenagers do things while their brains are still incompletely formed that are totally acceptable to themselves at the time, but have consequences out of all propportion to the original acts. They steal cars. They all pile in with their mates, they race each other. They kill themselves and others.
Maybe it is because of our ridiculous ideas about sex, particularly other people having sex, that lets us think a seventeen year old girl fucking a forty year old male is an anathema. Especially if the power balance is seriously out, by way of money, or status, or whatever. And yet teenage girls will always find their sexuality drives them to find partners, and forty year old males will always lust after smooth skinned long limbed teenage girls. That is after all, why we are so beautiful at that age, and so new, so innocent, so untouched. It's biology.
And it only becomes wrong when overlaid by our invented morality that requires sin and redemption to be served up alongside pleasure.
Epstein and his mates were buying sex from very beautiful young women. They were addicted to pleasure and had the money, power, and lifestyle to indulge themselves. Their women shared in the money, power, and lifestyle and some of them were canny enough to have a role in maintaining it because it was in their interests to do so. Seduction comes in many forms and all of us, if we are honest, have felt its power at some point in our lives.
It isn't perversion, but it is dangerous, like any other obsessive drive that demands satisfaction. And like those other drives once satisfied it fades and the cold hard facts can change it from red hot into something tawdry and tattered. And we do the walk of shame, especially if there is an audience.
And don't get me started on the audience...
Just my opinion.
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"In a hearing by teleconference on Tuesday, Prince Andrew's lawyer argued a 2009 settlement - between Virginia Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein - made it impossible for Ms Giuffre to take the case against the duke any further."
Creating a Settlement agreement in 2009 proves Virginias grievances are real. Now she just has to get that slippery eel Andrew to own up to his part in it all
I believe Virginia 100% and ALL the accusations against Andrew because people like Andrew in positions of power/wealth, history has shown, are susceptible to loosing their morals/moral fibre because they actually believe, because of the high regard/positions they hold, they have become untouchable and are allowed to act and behave immoral and noone can touch them. As Epstein thought. Of course that is not true, noone is untouchable and history shows many corrupted people in positions of power have gone down because their morals have lacked.
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So, that whole thing about innocent till being proven guilty is just a load of tosh in your world? Especially for the rich and powerful?
And for the effin last time no one is two effin words ya sod.
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his morals are no less lacking than mine.
a standing prick has no conscience
you take it as it comes, sometimes its on a plate, other times you have to work a bit harder.
what with being a prince and super rich and powerful one would imagine his booty pool ran deep. i believe he bedded britt eckland and samantha fox, both smokin hotties and well out of my range.
the british press, who now pillory and vilify him mercilessly, thought it was all a joke at the time. Randy Andy they called him. my, how things change.
yes hes a rich pompous git. yes hes a hypocrite, a bounder and possibly a cad.
none of which are crimes.
if we were held to victorian standards the prisons would be full of homosexuals and underage mothers.
how do we hold the principles of one generation against another?
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We forget our moral values are our own invention. And we apply them to others far more often than we observe them ourselves.
No wonder Mother Nature doesn't waste time on such sillinesses.
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(15-01-2022, 07:45 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: We forget our moral values are our own invention. And we apply them to others far more often than we observe them ourselves.
No wonder Mother Nature doesn't waste time on such sillinesses. our rooster Floyd isnt fussy, he'll fuck his girlfriend and all her girlfriends and wake up horny again.
only creature i know that crows before he roots. anticipation? some sort of release valve? a warning to the girls?
whatever, its not discreet he feels no shame. cocky little...cock.
am i his ghislaine?
do you think we'll give something a name after him?
like we did with prince albert.
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A road you mean? Or a museum...
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You must have lived an interesting life.
I was just watching whatshisname on AfterLife and was so takenaback at one scene and dialogue I had to hit the back button and exit.
I guess I am a little less open minded these days.
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in an effort to shirk responsibility and having a lousy work ethic
i left nz at 21 for a spot of oe...six years later i was nearly half done.
while at uni i had worked at il casino in wellington so knew my way around a fine dining restaurant and bar.
i worked in bars, clubs and restaurants everywhere. london, new york, south beach miami, Torremolinos, salzburg
ended up in san francisco 1989 on my way to canada to work on a floating lodge.
met the wife.
the end.
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I liked San Francisco. It reminded me of New Zealand.
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(15-01-2022, 07:45 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: We forget our moral values are our own invention. And we apply them to others far more often than we observe them ourselves.
No wonder Mother Nature doesn't waste time on such sillinesses. Humans do though -  that fool of a man should have known better & probably did, but went ahead anyway.
As we stupidly do sometimes.
I think there's a chance this will end with a hefty settlement & Andrew may yet learn to live like the non privileged do - or not, of course.
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(15-01-2022, 01:51 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I liked San Francisco. It reminded me of New Zealand.
The hills and the cable cars in the middle of the road, hmmm very New Zealand like! Besides Wellington lol
I have been around the world a few times and the only place like New Zealand is New Zealand
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I felt the familiarity as I flew in. The colours of the cliffs, the sea, the light. And the feeling was magnified at Golden Gate Park when my hostess pulled into a parking space under a massive pohutukawa.
And then there are the Victorian villas...
Bear in mind I grew up when tramcars climbed Queen St...
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(15-01-2022, 02:08 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: (15-01-2022, 07:45 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: We forget our moral values are our own invention. And we apply them to others far more often than we observe them ourselves.
No wonder Mother Nature doesn't waste time on such sillinesses. Humans do though -  that fool of a man should have known better & probably did, but went ahead anyway.
As we stupidly do sometimes.
I think there's a chance this will end with a hefty settlement & Andrew may yet learn to live like the non privileged do - or not, of course. is not death by the press enough tho? does he need to be criminalised and punished further for what is a transgression? 
what financial penalty will be applied to be paid ultimately by the british taxpayer? or his mum. i think we get more out of sticking it to him than money can buy. which makes it about us, not him.
are we feeding a bunny to salivating dogs as a punishment for being a bunny?
are we supposed to feel sated, uplifted and righteous when we're done?
leave poor andy alone
she tripped and fell on his bone
not yet sex by phone
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(15-01-2022, 03:28 PM)Magoo Wrote: (15-01-2022, 02:08 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Humans do though -  that fool of a man should have known better & probably did, but went ahead anyway.
As we stupidly do sometimes.
I think there's a chance this will end with a hefty settlement & Andrew may yet learn to live like the non privileged do - or not, of course. is not death by the press enough tho? does he need to be criminalised and punished further for what is a transgression? 
what financial penalty will be applied to be paid ultimately by the british taxpayer? or his mum. i think we get more out of sticking it to him than money can buy. which makes it about us, not him.
are we feeding a bunny to salivating dogs as a punishment for being a bunny?
are we supposed to feel sated, uplifted and righteous when we're done?
leave poor andy alone
she tripped and fell on his bone
not yet sex by phone Evidently not - she's not likely to drop it now without a settlement of some kind.
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Too much face to lose if she dropped it...
After all, she has to think of the future. The book, and the movie rights...
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(15-01-2022, 05:32 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Too much face to lose if she dropped it...
After all, she has to think of the future. The book, and the movie rights... Jeez - the gift that just keeps on giving. 
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