(24-11-2021, 06:43 PM)reigns Wrote: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-delta-outbreak-new-zealand-closing-in-on-5000-cases-20-per-cent-in-kids-under-9/

An increasing number of primary school-aged children and younger are contracting Covid, as the total number of active cases in this country's Delta outbreak approaches 5000. There are 4828 active cases of Covid in New Zealand - and 36 per cent of them are aged 19 or under. Close to one in five - 18.5 per cent - of cases are in children 9 years old or younger, up from 12.7 per cent at the start of September. On Monday alone 44 new cases were announced in under-9s. 

In the current outbreak, 27 children under nine have ended up in hospital. As the number of active cases grows, vaccination mandates are being brought in to cut the number of people who aren't protected against the virus. Staff in the education, Corrections and healthcare sectors are already subject to vaccine mandates and the Government is making it easier for businesses to mandate vaccines as well.

So much for "But children don't catch the virus!"

(24-11-2021, 07:08 PM)king1 Wrote: another interesting dilemma for business owners - whether to allow the unvaccinated children of vaccinated parents into the establishment...  Can you exclude them knowing that they could well be packing...

(24-11-2021, 07:08 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Okay. There are approximately 1.1 million children in this country. And the population is around 5.1 million...

So, that stat is entirely to be expected, surely?

(25-11-2021, 08:02 AM)Me+Me Wrote:

(24-11-2021, 06:43 PM)reigns Wrote: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-delta-outbreak-new-zealand-closing-in-on-5000-cases-20-per-cent-in-kids-under-9/

An increasing number of primary school-aged children and younger are contracting Covid, as the total number of active cases in this country's Delta outbreak approaches 5000. There are 4828 active cases of Covid in New Zealand - and 36 per cent of them are aged 19 or under. Close to one in five - 18.5 per cent - of cases are in children 9 years old or younger, up from 12.7 per cent at the start of September. On Monday alone 44 new cases were announced in under-9s. 

In the current outbreak, 27 children under nine have ended up in hospital. As the number of active cases grows, vaccination mandates are being brought in to cut the number of people who aren't protected against the virus. Staff in the education, Corrections and healthcare sectors are already subject to vaccine mandates and the Government is making it easier for businesses to mandate vaccines as well.

So much for "But children don't catch the virus!"

NO one ever said that children don't catch the virus.
At least the Govt isn't just being the uncaring, supposedly murderous, Govt that some people seem to think they are and they're holding off enabling vaccinations for young kids till the info is IN about how safe, or not, it is.

(25-11-2021, 04:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think any parent worth the name automatically worries. Despite all advice to the contrary. And what's more, it never stops, no matter how old they get, where they are, what they do - we worry. It is in the job description.

(26-11-2021, 10:45 AM)Magoo Wrote: 10% of our population place their own wants before childrens needs and our welfare.
selfish arrogant knuckle draggers without a shred of common decency between them.
these are the ones who will drag this out, costing more lives needlessly while they stamp their idiot supporting feet about rights and freedom. piss off somewhere else and be free, society needs rules that trump your petty wants.
anti vaxxers, anti maskers, there is a portion of the population that do not want to cohabitate with you.
if we have to 'isolate' those who would do us harm then so be it.

(26-11-2021, 03:28 PM)TygerTung Wrote: Not sure why these lunatics are banging on about freedoms. If there is a society, there is always rules and regulations. One can't simply go around doing whatever they want. If they did, it would be a terrible dangerous place, full on anarchy with rapes, murders, thefts etc. going on left right and centre.

Don't like being told what to do? If one is in the workplace, one is constantly being told what to do. Even more so if one is in the military. Not sure why this is any different.

(25-11-2021, 04:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think any parent worth the name automatically worries. Despite all advice to the contrary. And what's more, it never stops, no matter how old they get, where they are, what they do - we worry. It is in the job description.

(26-11-2021, 01:09 PM)king1 Wrote:

(26-11-2021, 10:45 AM)Magoo Wrote: 10% of our population place their own wants before childrens needs and our welfare.
selfish arrogant knuckle draggers without a shred of common decency between them.
these are the ones who will drag this out, costing more lives needlessly while they stamp their idiot supporting feet about rights and freedom. piss off somewhere else and be free, society needs rules that trump your petty wants.
anti vaxxers, anti maskers, there is a portion of the population that do not want to cohabitate with you.
if we have to 'isolate' those who would do us harm then so be it.

you don't do rational very well do you Magoo?  Jumping up and down having tantrums simply because the world doesn't conform to your ideals doesn't change anything. The world is grey, not your black & white ideal...  Chill out, I can see the veins popping from here...

(27-11-2021, 06:09 PM)Magoo Wrote:

(26-11-2021, 01:09 PM)king1 Wrote: you don't do rational very well do you Magoo?  Jumping up and down having tantrums simply because the world doesn't conform to your ideals doesn't change anything. The world is grey, not your black & white ideal...  Chill out, I can see the veins popping from here...

Thats fine, you be flippant about it, but this thread is about the safety of children and your cavalier disregard for their welfare is abhorrent. your world might be wishy washy and full of feeble excuses, mine is not.
Youve already told us you will exercising your mask exemption.. nice, as long as youre ok huh? 
clearly its more about whats good for you and to hell with everyone else?
as long as your chilled out everything will be fine.
for you.

(27-11-2021, 06:20 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(27-11-2021, 06:09 PM)Magoo Wrote: Thats fine, you be flippant about it, but this thread is about the safety of children and your cavalier disregard for their welfare is abhorrent. your world might be wishy washy and full of feeble excuses, mine is not.
Youve already told us you will exercising your mask exemption.. nice, as long as youre ok huh? 
clearly its more about whats good for you and to hell with everyone else?
as long as your chilled out everything will be fine.
for you.

  I don't think that's altogether a fair comment; there was no indication of a 'cavalier disregard for the safety of children' - just a different way of seeing this.
If it was up to me, parenting classes would be compulsory in high schools, using the lifelike dolls & including basic budgeting, cooking, gardening as soon as it could be set up, & parenting classes for all new parents likewise, with classes (free) to all existing parents who want a bit of help. And for those who exhibit really dire parenting skills as well - help & support to become better parents.

(27-11-2021, 06:28 PM)Magoo Wrote:

(27-11-2021, 06:20 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:   I don't think that's altogether a fair comment; there was no indication of a 'cavalier disregard for the safety of children' - just a different way of seeing this.
If it was up to me, parenting classes would be compulsory in high schools, using the lifelike dolls & including basic budgeting, cooking, gardening as soon as it could be set up, & parenting classes for all new parents likewise, with classes (free) to all existing parents who want a bit of help. And for those who exhibit really dire parenting skills as well - help & support to become better parents.

Going into mask mandated areas where there are others, including children, may be in close proximity is to show a cavalier disregard for the health of those vulnerable kids. this is why we fucking well mandated it. to keep people safe. 
to consider yourself ok to go unmasked for your own selfish reasons (its hot, its hard to breath. bullshit.) is both arrogant and flippant.

not on my watch.

(27-11-2021, 06:28 PM)Magoo Wrote:

(27-11-2021, 06:20 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:   I don't think that's altogether a fair comment; there was no indication of a 'cavalier disregard for the safety of children' - just a different way of seeing this.
If it was up to me, parenting classes would be compulsory in high schools, using the lifelike dolls & including basic budgeting, cooking, gardening as soon as it could be set up, & parenting classes for all new parents likewise, with classes (free) to all existing parents who want a bit of help. And for those who exhibit really dire parenting skills as well - help & support to become better parents.

Going into mask mandated areas where there are others, including children, may be in close proximity is to show a cavalier disregard for the health of those vulnerable kids. this is why we fucking well mandated it. to keep people safe. 
to consider yourself ok to go unmasked for your own selfish reasons (its hot, its hard to breath. bullshit.) is both arrogant and flippant.

not on my watch.