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Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Lilith7 - 28-07-2025
I'd like to think they might see sense, but if this idea is as it seems, likely to gain them more votes they'll stick with it. Very interesting that Judith Collins raised it though, when it's surely those groups who are possibly more likely to vote left.
"Judith Collins pointed out that the proposals were inconsistent with people's rights, & that 100,000 or more people  could be directly or indirectly disenfranchised by rules banning  enrolment in the final 13 days before an election, with younger people & Maori, Asian & Pasifika most likely to be affected."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/568207/christopher-luxon-defends-voting-changes-after-judith-collins-raises-problems
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Oh_hunnihunni - 28-07-2025
Depriving young people who come of voting age with that period of the chance to vote for the first time. Pretty sure that's what this conservative very white government is intending. Probably ACT sponsored...
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Lilith7 - 28-07-2025
(28-07-2025, 06:16 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Depriving young people who come of voting age with that period of the chance to vote for the first time. Pretty sure that's what this conservative very white government is intending. Probably ACT sponsored...
Yeah - funny that. All the really nasty stuff seems to originate from ACT..
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - heisenberg - 30-07-2025
(28-07-2025, 06:16 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Depriving young people who come of voting age with that period of the chance to vote for the first time. Pretty sure that's what this conservative very white government is intending. Probably ACT sponsored..." very white"
how racist
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Praktica - 30-07-2025
(30-07-2025, 05:44 AM)heisenberg Wrote: Oh_hunnihunniDepriving young people who come of voting age with that period of the chance to vote for the first time. Pretty sure that's what this conservative very white government is intending. Probably ACT sponsored...
" very white"
how racist
How very PC of you, heisenberg...
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Lilith7 - 30-07-2025
Govt is claiming that this is to ensure that a final election result is achieved sooner, however some within their own party disagree.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/07/30/when-its-worth-waiting-for-democracy/
"Undemocratic & a breach of human rights. That's what most experts & officials think of the Govts proposed changes to electoral law."
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - heisenberg - 30-07-2025
some people go to war for the right to vote some people cant be bothered getting out of bed to vote
if you havenÔÇÖt organised yourself to register to vote by the day of the election you miss out
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - king1 - 30-07-2025
(30-07-2025, 12:29 PM)heisenberg Wrote: some people go to war for the right to vote some people cant be bothered getting out of bed to vote
if you havenÔÇÖt organised yourself to register to vote by the day of the election you miss out
Why should they though?  I'm pretty damned sure any delays introduced by last minute voter registrations will be dwarfed by prolonged coalition negotiations
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - harm_less - 30-07-2025
(30-07-2025, 02:46 PM)king1 Wrote:There's also the delay related to collecting and counting 90,000+ overseas votes. Those seem to be managed okay so what exactly is the problem for a few late enrolling NZ voters?(30-07-2025, 12:29 PM)heisenberg Wrote: some people go to war for the right to vote some people cant be bothered getting out of bed to vote
if you havenÔÇÖt organised yourself to register to vote by the day of the election you miss out
Why should they though?  I'm pretty damned sure any delays introduced by last minute voter registrations will be dwarfed by prolonged coalition negotiations
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Lilith7 - 30-07-2025
(30-07-2025, 03:16 PM)harm_less Wrote:(30-07-2025, 02:46 PM)king1 Wrote: Why should they though?  I'm pretty damned sure any delays introduced by last minute voter registrations will be dwarfed by prolonged coalition negotiationsThere's also the delay related to collecting and counting 90,000+ overseas votes. Those seem to be managed okay so what exactly is the problem for a few late enrolling NZ voters?
It gives this govt an opportunity to chance their arm by trying to make changes. Which will be in their favour...
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - heisenberg - 31-07-2025
(30-07-2025, 03:28 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(30-07-2025, 03:16 PM)harm_less Wrote: There's also the delay related to collecting and counting 90,000+ overseas votes. Those seem to be managed okay so what exactly is the problem for a few late enrolling NZ voters?
It gives this govt an opportunity to chance their arm by trying to make changes. Which will be in their favour...
at least this government hasnÔÇÖt locked people out of the country, forced people out of their jobs, etc etc like the last be kind pack of rsoles
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - king1 - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 05:42 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(30-07-2025, 03:28 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: It gives this govt an opportunity to chance their arm by trying to make changes. Which will be in their favour...
at least this government hasnÔÇÖt locked people out of the country, forced people out of their jobs, etc etc like the last be kind pack of rsoles
and in the process saved the lives of 20000 odd New Zealanders...  Covid, global pandemic, lockdown, any of that sound familiar?
Folks were warned in advance and told to get back to nz.
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Lilith7 - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 05:42 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(30-07-2025, 03:28 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: It gives this govt an opportunity to chance their arm by trying to make changes. Which will be in their favour...
at least this government hasnÔÇÖt locked people out of the country, forced people out of their jobs, etc etc like the last be kind pack of rsoles
'Forced people out of jobs"...but wait, there's more..under this govt.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562350/how-many-public-sector-jobs-have-really-been-axed
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - jim157 - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 02:37 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(31-07-2025, 05:42 AM)heisenberg Wrote: at least this government hasnÔÇÖt locked people out of the country, forced people out of their jobs, etc etc like the last be kind pack of rsoles
'Forced people out of jobs"...but wait, there's more..under this govt.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562350/how-many-public-sector-jobs-have-really-been-axed
good, labour tripled the size of the public service, get rid of the dead wood
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - harm_less - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 05:52 PM)jim157 Wrote:Much of those you're referring to as "dead wood" are integral to maintaining social services but I guess at the rate Kiwis are exiting the country lately that will be a shrinking need for the coming years.(31-07-2025, 02:37 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: 'Forced people out of jobs"...but wait, there's more..under this govt.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562350/how-many-public-sector-jobs-have-really-been-axed
good, labour tripled the size of the public service, get rid of the dead wood
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - Praktica - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 05:52 PM)jim157 Wrote:(31-07-2025, 02:37 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: 'Forced people out of jobs"...but wait, there's more..under this govt.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562350/how-many-public-sector-jobs-have-really-been-axed
good, labour tripled the size of the public service, get rid of the dead wood
Maths not your strong suit jimmy?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350461609/labour-s-chris-hipkins-defends-increasing-public-service-workforce
An increase of 30% is not a trebling...
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - harm_less - 31-07-2025
(31-07-2025, 06:41 PM)Praktica Wrote:Can't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory (31-07-2025, 05:52 PM)jim157 Wrote: good, labour tripled the size of the public service, get rid of the dead wood
Maths not your strong suit jimmy?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350461609/labour-s-chris-hipkins-defends-increasing-public-service-workforce
An increase of 30% is not a trebling...
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - jim157 - 01-08-2025
(31-07-2025, 07:05 PM)harm_less Wrote:(31-07-2025, 06:41 PM)Praktica Wrote: Maths not your strong suit jimmy?Can't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory 
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350461609/labour-s-chris-hipkins-defends-increasing-public-service-workforce
An increase of 30% is not a trebling...
just 30% of dead wood then thats ok is it
RE: Luxon defends election changes after Judith Collins raises problems - harm_less - 01-08-2025
(01-08-2025, 08:51 AM)jim157 Wrote:One man's "dead wood" is another's social support services, but if you don't give a toss about those less 'entitled' than yourself your priorities may well vary accordingly.(31-07-2025, 07:05 PM)harm_less Wrote: Can't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory 
just 30% of dead wood then thats ok is it