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Interested in the end of civilisation - Praktica - 27-06-2025
and how it might happen? This Guardian article looks at a subreddit which discusses just that...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/26/rcollapse-reddit-apocalypse-news
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Oh_hunnihunni - 27-06-2025
I think it has already happened.
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Lilith7 - 27-06-2025
I tend to agree that its likely to be slowish due to pollution rather than sudden, although that always remains a possibility.
I remember the old Brit series, The Survivors from I think, the 70s.
We really are among the stupidest of species. And the cleverest.
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Oh_hunnihunni - 27-06-2025
That series has travelled quite well. I revisited it a few years back and thoroughly enjoyed it. Including the last season which I had missed...
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Lilith7 - 28-06-2025
(27-06-2025, 05:16 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: That series has travelled quite well. I revisited it a few years back and thoroughly enjoyed it. Including the last season which I had missed...
I think I still have it somewhere, among the DVD collection. At the time it was first shown a friend & I had a tradition - Wednesday night, chocolate cake & The survivors...I must remind her of that, bet she's not thought of it for years.
Unless we make some changes, I suspect our descendants will have to live with a very changed planet & their lives may be far harder than ours have been.
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - heisenberg - 29-06-2025
the sky's falling
best put taxes up
ThatÔÇÖll solve it
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Oh_hunnihunni - 29-06-2025
Well, if you can think of real solutions that do not involve spending vast amounts of our money, then speak up!
I can't...
And the really rich would hardly notice it. The tax increase that is. If they actually managed not to evade it.
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Lilith7 - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 08:11 AM)heisenberg Wrote: the sky's falling
best put taxes up
ThatÔÇÖll solve it
Well - if it really is falling, then there will be a Neo Liberal rsole along at any moment, trying to sell it...all in the name of profit...
(29-06-2025, 08:27 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Well, if you can think of real solutions that do not involve spending vast amounts of our money, then speak up!
I can't...
And the really rich would hardly notice it. The tax increase that is. If they actually managed not to evade it.
I think perhaps we need to find a way to prevent anyone from evading paying their taxes - get the dodgy lawyers they use to set it up so its foolproof...
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Praktica - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 08:11 AM)heisenberg Wrote: the sky's falling
best put taxes up
ThatÔÇÖll solve it
Hey...good idea - I'm surprised you suggested it. All income over $100k taxed at 60%, eh? 2% tax per year on wealth over $2M, as well.
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - heisenberg - 30-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 06:14 PM)Praktica Wrote:(29-06-2025, 08:11 AM)heisenberg Wrote: the sky's falling
best put taxes up
ThatÔÇÖll solve it
Hey...good idea - I'm surprised you suggested it. All income over $100k taxed at 60%, eh? 2% tax per year on wealth over $2M, as well.
or jut stop paying boomers the pension for sitting on their arse all day
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - king1 - 30-06-2025
(30-06-2025, 03:43 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(29-06-2025, 06:14 PM)Praktica Wrote: Hey...good idea - I'm surprised you suggested it. All income over $100k taxed at 60%, eh? 2% tax per year on wealth over $2M, as well.
or jut stop paying boomers the pension for sitting on their arse all day
you realise that will affect you and your own cohort one day
RE: Interested in the end of civilisation - Oh_hunnihunni - 30-06-2025
I like the Greens idea, the first 10K tax free for everyone, but raise the top range a little. And then there's the IRD's idea, raising gst to 18% while putting a code on the payment cards of low income people that discounts the tax take of each purchase they make. Apparently that software is already in play in some Euro countries, so easy to implement and requires minimal bureaucratic involvement.
There are better ways than the system we have. We just need the political will to put one or other - or a combo, into action.
And that super we get? Means test it. It is a benefit, just like all the others that are means tested. My affordable rental is means tested, I see no issue with putting the help where it is genuinely needed.
And then there's this - https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360738318/what-sensible-adults-dont-tell-you-about-cost-super?cx_testId=10&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=2&utm_source=the_post_stuff_home&utm_medium=referral#cxrecs_s