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"Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 03-06-2022
If this isn't a blatant case of greed, masquerading as Christianity, then it's an excellent imitation. I think the time has come to de register 'religions' like this which are really a business in all but name.
I wonder if this is making the McBishop nervous....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128828808/arise-pastors-resign-with-over-6m-worth-of-real-estate-to-their-names
- "Megachurch Arise has been accused of abuse and harassment within the organisation.
- Leaders Brent, John and Gillian Cameron resigned last Friday, apologising ÔÇ£to all those who have been hurtÔÇØ.
- Two reviews have been launched into allegations interns were ÔÇ£overworked, overwhelmed, and taken advantage ofÔÇØ.
A closer walk with God has also meant a hike up the property ladder for two pastors of the controversial Arise Church.
Brothers John and Brent Cameron┬ástepped down from their positions┬áin the church on May 27 over┬áallegations of abuse and harassment in the organisation. The church, which has 12 branches around New Zealand, has┬álaunched two reviews┬áÔÇô one into allegations interns at the Arise Church Ministry School were overworked and exploited."
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - C_T_Russell - 03-06-2022
Most of these churches all seem to take away lots of $$$.
If they dont give back to the community in some way, then they should not get charitable status.
And trying to convert people into followers doesnt count as charitable. They are the ones giving the money!
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Praktica - 03-06-2022
And Christopher Luxon is a member of one of them...
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 03-06-2022
(03-06-2022, 07:03 PM)Praktica Wrote: And Christopher Luxon is a member of one of them...Is he a member of the same lot, Arise do you know? I knew he was religious but not which particular brand.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Olive - 03-06-2022
Luxon's church is The Upper Room. He seems to be downplaying his membership these days, but still promotes his fundamentalist views.
https://upperroom.org.nz/
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - C_T_Russell - 03-06-2022
(03-06-2022, 07:27 PM)Olive Wrote: Luxon's church is The Upper Room.  He seems to be downplaying his membership these days,  but still promotes his fundamentalist views.Isint he catholic?
https://upperroom.org.nz/
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 04-06-2022
(03-06-2022, 07:27 PM)Olive Wrote: Luxon's church is The Upper Room.  He seems to be downplaying his membership these days,  but still promotes his fundamentalist views.
https://upperroom.org.nz/
I don't think that anyone with fundamentalist religious views, of any religion should be in a position of having political power over others.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/12/02/must-read-the-fellowship-of-the-upper-room/
Presumably they have connections to the American church group of the same name.
https://www.upperroomny.com/
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oldfellah - 04-06-2022
I have never heard of the upper room so clicked on the link to go have a look and one of the first things to grab my eyes attention was this.
New online giving app
give easily from your mobile phone.
And they say there is no money in religion ... yeah rite!!!
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 04-06-2022
Smacks a bit of of the 'prosperity gospel' from America.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/1/15951874/prosperity-gospel-explained-why-joel-osteen-believes-prayer-can-make-you-rich-trump
"The prosperity gospel is an umbrella term for a group of ideas ÔÇö popular among charismatic preachers in the evangelical tradition ÔÇö that equate Christian faith with material, and particularly financial, success.
A 2006 Times poll found that 17 percent of American Christians identify explicitly with the movement, while 31 percent espouse the idea that ÔÇ£if you give your money to God God will bless you with more money.ÔÇØ A full 61 percent agree with the more general idea that ÔÇ£God wants people to be prosperous.ÔÇØ
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - C_T_Russell - 06-06-2022
(04-06-2022, 11:55 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:Completely agree!(03-06-2022, 07:27 PM)Olive Wrote: Luxon's church is The Upper Room.  He seems to be downplaying his membership these days,  but still promotes his fundamentalist views.
https://upperroom.org.nz/
I don't think that anyone with fundamentalist religious views, of any religion should be in a position of having political power over others.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-06-2022
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the Gates of Heaven.
A misquote I'm sure, me being a pagan heathen, but it is one 'sort of' biblical admonition I always rather liked.
(06-06-2022, 03:02 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:The only problem with that is having religion seems to come with power over others - primarily those without. I guess that's why it is still around, despite the obvious flaw in the assumption.(04-06-2022, 11:55 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: I don't think that anyone with fundamentalist religious views, of any religion should be in a position of having political power over others.Completely agree!
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oldfellah - 06-06-2022
I dont know why all the fuss about religion, because there is no such creature as god in anyway shape or form.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 06-06-2022
(06-06-2022, 04:28 PM)Oldfellah Wrote: I dont know why all the fuss about religion, because there is no such creature as god in anyway shape or form.You'd probably be hit by a bolt of lightning for that remark, if there was.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oldfellah - 06-06-2022
(06-06-2022, 07:11 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:Well im still here so their cant be (06-06-2022, 04:28 PM)Oldfellah Wrote: I dont know why all the fuss about religion, because there is no such creature as god in anyway shape or form.You'd probably be hit by a bolt of lightning for that remark, if there was.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-06-2022
I think we call the life force we recognise in ourselves and other living beings our Gods. If that is, we recognise it as something real and more powerful than our own petty daily lives.
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oldfellah - 06-06-2022
My life is not petty, friggin boring but never petty, I don't knock peoples beliefs in whatever they believe in as long as they respect mine and don't try and ram theirs down my neck
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-06-2022
Mundane a better word?
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 07-06-2022
(06-06-2022, 07:31 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think we call the life force we recognise in ourselves and other living beings our Gods. If that is, we recognise it as something real and more powerful than our own petty daily lives.Jeez - don't tell him he's a god! There'll be no living with him now!
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Oldfellah - 07-06-2022
Im a God unto myself 
RE: "Arise" pastors resign, with over $6m of real estate - Lilith7 - 07-06-2022
(07-06-2022, 03:17 PM)Oldfellah Wrote: Im a God unto myself Oh bugger!
Now look what you did Hunni!