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Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
The return of the 1pm Podiium of Truth had only Bloomfield and he finally admitted what people had been asking - including me here on this very forum - that testing numbers were massively over estimated.  
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/
opinion/127921253/covid19-ashley-bloomfield-fronts-over-failure-no-minister-to-be-seen?cid=app-android
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Magoo - 02-03-2022
i cant see what the issue is
testing doesnt stop covid, it just confirms whether or not you have it.
i would have thought at this point just showing symptoms is enough to isolate.
another day or two while waiting for your test doesnt seem like an insurmountable task.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 07:17 AM)Magoo Wrote: i cant see what the issue isIt isn't about the test it is the fact that they hid the fact the testing numbers could never be achieved.  Questions about those numbers and how sustainable they were have been deflected for at least a week.  I called BS on the numbers a few weeks ago.
testing doesnt stop covid, it just confirms whether or not you have it.
i would have thought at this point just showing symptoms is enough to isolate.
another day or two while waiting for your test doesnt seem like an insurmountable task.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - king1 - 02-03-2022
oh yes clearly they lied to your face, and it was a huge conspiracy... or, they overestimated capacity... certainly take it as a win if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but it's not really a major is it? life will continue
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 08:08 AM)king1 Wrote: oh yes clearly they lied to your face, and it was a huge conspiracy...  or, they overestimated capacity... certainly take it as a win if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but it's not really a major is it?  life will continueWhat a surprise comment from our independent admin.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - yousnoozeyoulose - 02-03-2022
Always amuses me when certain people got grumpy that Labour was 'always' on at 1pm, but then they get grumpy when they're not.
If we didn't have the high positivity rates, the testing capacity would be fine. But because it's Omicron coupled with it enjoying our almost unique brand of being unaffected by the far more dangerous strains of Covid (thanks Labour!), we don't have capacity. C'est la vie.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Magoo - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 07:57 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:hid? the estimated something like 38K tests a day. they can do only 31k tests a day.(02-03-2022, 07:17 AM)Magoo Wrote: i cant see what the issue isIt isn't about the test it is the fact that they hid the fact the testing numbers could never be achieved.  Questions about those numbers and how sustainable they were have been deflected for at least a week.  I called BS on the numbers a few weeks ago.
testing doesnt stop covid, it just confirms whether or not you have it.
i would have thought at this point just showing symptoms is enough to isolate.
another day or two while waiting for your test doesnt seem like an insurmountable task.
this is why they estimated it.
Calling bs is easy from the couch, eventually you'll get something right if you call bs on enough things.
what you call would carry a lot more weight if so much wasnt based on fallacy, misinformation and a very strong predetermination to find fault with the government, and ways to confirm it. seek and ye shall find.
i think youve found something this time.
there are a bunch of people out there who dont know if they are carrying covid.
all except a few are vaxxed, if i was in the few unaxxed i would be concerned. bu5 they can sit and wait until we are good and ready. theirs will be done last.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Olive - 02-03-2022
I don't think it's such a big deal that the MOH overestimated testing capacity. Nobody predicted how quickly Omicron would rise. The testing delay is being beaten up by news media who seem to be slavering at the opportunity to criticise Dr Bloomfield, who seems to be expected to have the best crystal ball in the country as well as being in charge of the best Covid response in the world.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - king1 - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:If you weren't so manifestly trigger-happy at everything the govt does I might actually take it a bit more seriously...(02-03-2022, 08:08 AM)king1 Wrote: oh yes clearly they lied to your face, and it was a huge conspiracy...  or, they overestimated capacity... certainly take it as a win if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but it's not really a major is it?  life will continueWhat a surprise comment from our independent admin.
As long as the rules are followed everyone is happy - for anyone else, you know where the door is...
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - SueDonim - 02-03-2022
I think boards and managers are always overly optimistic about what their minions can achieve. The health sector was understaffed long before covid and now have to cope with it on top of everything else and mainly have done a miraculous job in doing so. Bloomfiled is one of said managers, but still has to live with what he has been given, and I forgive him for trying to keep the positive tone when things really are looking bad. As Olive said, he's done a great job at the head of the best covid response in the world, at times stuck in the hardest place between politics and practicality.
I can see that the process of pooling tests fell over when numbers got big. When only a few batches had to be separated and re-done because there was one positive result in the batch it was efficient and worked well. Then suddenly they would have had a high proportion of pooled batches with at least one positive (maybe it's now all) so it's understandable that having to now pretty much do every result individually would have had a huge impact on capacity.
It's tough for people waiting for results, but they need to assume that if they have symptoms, they have covid and stay at home. Some will find they just have a cold - stay at home anyway whatever you are sick with. For everyone else, if out in public, act as if everyone you encounter could infect you, because they could. Within a few days we will all have RATs available. That has been where the government really got it wrong. We should have had them weeks ago, and the commandeering of orders from companies that had bought them in time to keep supply chains going now is probably the biggest problem we are facing right now.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Oh_hunnihunni - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:'Our independent admin?'(02-03-2022, 08:08 AM)king1 Wrote: oh yes clearly they lied to your face, and it was a huge conspiracy...  or, they overestimated capacity... certainly take it as a win if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but it's not really a major is it?  life will continueWhat a surprise comment from our independent admin.
The only time you are one of 'us' is when the other place bores you, so I guess you can be forgiven for erroneous assumptions...
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Magoo - 02-03-2022
sue-d once again the oice of reason.
if youve got symptoms it might just be a cold, or covid
either way youre sick, dont go to work.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Oh_hunnihunni - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 09:47 AM)SueDonim Wrote: I think boards and managers are always overly optimistic about what their minions can achieve. The health sector was understaffed long before covid and now have to cope with it on top of everything else and mainly have done a miraculous job in doing so. Bloomfiled is one of said managers, but still has to live with what he has been given, and I forgive him for trying to keep the positive tone when things really are looking bad. As Olive said, he's done a great job at the head of the best covid response in the world, at times stuck in the hardest place between politics and practicality.I don't have a problem with anything the government has done on the covid thing, considering its complexities and ever changing landscape, but then I don't expect human beings to be infallible.
I can see that the process of pooling tests fell over when numbers got big. When only a few batches had to be separated and re-done because there was one positive result in the batch it was efficient and worked well. Then suddenly they would have had a high proportion of pooled batches with at least one positive (maybe it's now all) so it's understandable that having to now pretty much do every result individually would have had a huge impact on capacity.
It's tough for people waiting for results, but they need to assume that if they have symptoms, they have covid and stay at home. Some will find they just have a cold - stay at home anyway whatever you are sick with. For everyone else, if out in public, act as if everyone you encounter could infect you, because they could. Within a few days we will all have RATs available. That has been where the government really got it wrong. We should have had them weeks ago, and the commandeering of orders from companies that had bought them in time to keep supply chains going now is probably the biggest problem we are facing right now.
Personal responsibility out here in the everyday world will always ensure political ideals are never achieved. The ongoing protest debacle is proof of that.
As for RATs, I am sure there was a statement from suppliers that countered the 'government commandeering supplies' claim, I don't think I dreamed it.
It would be a step forward if we all just stopped the critique based on hindsight and put our energies into more positive and creative things.
In my opinion...
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 09:12 AM)Magoo Wrote:How much you want bet the 31000 "estimate " is also wrong?(02-03-2022, 07:57 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: It isn't about the test it is the fact that they hid the fact the testing numbers could never be achieved.  Questions about those numbers and how sustainable they were have been deflected for at least a week.  I called BS on the numbers a few weeks ago.hid? the estimated something like 38K tests a day. they can do only 31k tests a day.
this is why they estimated it.
Calling bs is easy from the couch, eventually you'll get something right if you call bs on enough things.
what you call would carry a lot more weight if so much wasnt based on fallacy, misinformation and a very strong predetermination to find fault with the government, and ways to confirm it. seek and ye shall find.
i think youve found something this time.
there are a bunch of people out there who dont know if they are carrying covid.
all except a few are vaxxed, if i was in the few unaxxed i would be concerned. bu5 they can sit and wait until we are good and ready. theirs will be done last.
The entire thing is out the wondow now.  Contact tracing broke down weeks ago but simply wasn't acknowledged.  Scanning is rapidly dropping because what is the point?
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Magoo - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:kings response was not 'administrative' it was a response to your post, from him as another poster.(02-03-2022, 08:08 AM)king1 Wrote: oh yes clearly they lied to your face, and it was a huge conspiracy...  or, they overestimated capacity... certainly take it as a win if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but it's not really a major is it?  life will continueWhat a surprise comment from our independent admin.
im not sure admin has declared any sort of neutrality when it comes to posting here, nor should there be any expectation of it on a forum. you werent threatened, censured or silenced. no muscle was flexed.
or are you trying to stifle the posters point of view?
please desist id like to hear it.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 10:01 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:If I was ever considered in that way I would likely throw myself under Te Huia.  If it was running, on time, with passengers.(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: What a surprise comment from our independent admin.'Our independent admin?'
The only time you are one of 'us' is when the other place bores you, so I guess you can be forgiven for erroneous assumptions...
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - king1 - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 10:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:being an estimate only, odds are quite high it's wrong - otherwise it would be a fact... it's a subtle distinction lost on some...(02-03-2022, 09:12 AM)Magoo Wrote: hid? the estimated something like 38K tests a day. they can do only 31k tests a day.How much you want bet the 31000 "estimate " is also wrong?
this is why they estimated it.
Calling bs is easy from the couch, eventually you'll get something right if you call bs on enough things.
what you call would carry a lot more weight if so much wasnt based on fallacy, misinformation and a very strong predetermination to find fault with the government, and ways to confirm it. seek and ye shall find.
i think youve found something this time.
there are a bunch of people out there who dont know if they are carrying covid.
all except a few are vaxxed, if i was in the few unaxxed i would be concerned. bu5 they can sit and wait until we are good and ready. theirs will be done last.
The entire thing is out the wondow now.  Contact tracing broke down weeks ago but simply wasn't acknowledged.  Scanning is rapidly dropping because what is the point?
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 09:35 AM)king1 Wrote:Perhaps if this government did anything it said it would I wouldn't have anything to comment on?  The fact I have so many things to comment on is a testament to how this government is performing - or rather isn't performing.(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: What a surprise comment from our independent admin.If you weren't so manifestly trigger-happy at everything the govt does I might actually take it a bit more seriously...
As long as the rules are followed everyone is happy - for anyone else, you know where the door is...
(02-03-2022, 10:16 AM)king1 Wrote:There are estimates then there are guesstimates- the MOH seem to be firmly in the latter.(02-03-2022, 10:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: How much you want bet the 31000 "estimate " is also wrong?being an estimate only, odds are quite high it's wrong - otherwise it would be a fact...  it's a subtle distinction lost on some...
The entire thing is out the wondow now.  Contact tracing broke down weeks ago but simply wasn't acknowledged.  Scanning is rapidly dropping because what is the point?
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Magoo - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 10:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:why on earth would i want to bet on something so trivial? everyone knows its guesswork, no prior pandemics to draw from, you understand? and i dont do nitpick, you know this. how many a day are tested is trivia, minutia, inconsequential.(02-03-2022, 09:12 AM)Magoo Wrote: hid? the estimated something like 38K tests a day. they can do only 31k tests a day.How much you want bet the 31000 "estimate " is also wrong?
this is why they estimated it.
Calling bs is easy from the couch, eventually you'll get something right if you call bs on enough things.
what you call would carry a lot more weight if so much wasnt based on fallacy, misinformation and a very strong predetermination to find fault with the government, and ways to confirm it. seek and ye shall find.
i think youve found something this time.
there are a bunch of people out there who dont know if they are carrying covid.
all except a few are vaxxed, if i was in the few unaxxed i would be concerned. bu5 they can sit and wait until we are good and ready. theirs will be done last.
The entire thing is out the wondow now.  Contact tracing broke down weeks ago but simply wasn't acknowledged.  Scanning is rapidly dropping because what is the point?
its not 'out the window', its proving to be as difficult and logistically challenging as was predicted. 
in fact worse was predicted. chaos and pandemonium at our hospitals. whole industries shutting down with staff absences. 
that may yet happen, when it does please dont get a woody and tell us the government was tricking us and you knew it all along. lower your expectations.
RE: Where is Hipkins? Where is Little? Where is Ardern? - Wainuiguy - 02-03-2022
(02-03-2022, 10:13 AM)Magoo Wrote:Actually he has done those things.  He has threatened, centured and silenced.  He did this under the guise of breaking "rules" yet couldn't a actually say what rule was broken.(02-03-2022, 08:36 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: What a surprise comment from our independent admin.kings response was not 'administrative' it was a response to your post, from him as another poster.
im not sure admin has declared any sort of neutrality when it comes to posting here, nor should there be any expectation of it on a forum. you werent threatened, censured or silenced. no muscle was flexed.
or are you trying to stifle the posters point of view?
please desist id like to hear it.
(02-03-2022, 10:22 AM)Magoo Wrote:The term bet is a turn of phrase.  But you know of this.(02-03-2022, 10:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: How much you want bet the 31000 "estimate " is also wrong?why on earth would i want to bet on something so trivial? everyone knows its guesswork, no prior pandemics to draw from, you understand? and i dont do nitpick, you know this. how many a day are tested is trivia, minutia, inconsequential.
The entire thing is out the wondow now.  Contact tracing broke down weeks ago but simply wasn't acknowledged.  Scanning is rapidly dropping because what is the point?
its not 'out the window', its proving to be as difficult and logistically challenging as was predicted. 
in fact worse was predicted. chaos and pandemonium at our hospitals. whole industries shutting down with staff absences. 
that may yet happen, when it does please dont get a woody and tell us the government was tricking us and you knew it all along. lower your expectations.
Oh and when it comes to this govt my expectations are lower than whale shit in the Challenger Deep