(25-02-2022, 03:29 PM)king1 Wrote: yes that is and always has been an insidious place.  If they wish to continue in the future they need to cleanout the top echelon and start again with a somewhat more moderate philosophy

(25-02-2022, 05:53 PM)mike Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 03:29 PM)king1 Wrote: yes that is and always has been an insidious place.  If they wish to continue in the future they need to cleanout the top echelon and start again with a somewhat more moderate philosophy

They had all the trades except a butcher, mums late partner was who was a retired  butcher was employed by them. They greased him up like a strippers pole, filled his car up with gas, 
(Was coming from Blackball) as well as an hourly rate, gave food etc. Mum said Terry they are using you to train hopefulwhoevers and then you will be down the road. Mum was right he was quickly down the road. Guess you can call it business but no integrity with the facade of a connection they created with him.

They put on a yearly xmas pantomime for the Greymouth people, big feast and drinks. Picking to keep the locals sweet
so they are more inclined to turn a blind eye to what is actually
going on at Gloriavale, be accepted.

The clothes remind me of the get-up on Little House on the Prairie.

High time it was shutdown. Slave labour, sexual abuse etc etc.

(25-02-2022, 06:05 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 05:53 PM)mike Wrote: They had all the trades except a butcher, mums late partner was who was a retired  butcher was employed by them. They greased him up like a strippers pole, filled his car up with gas, 
(Was coming from Blackball) as well as an hourly rate, gave food etc. Mum said Terry they are using you to train hopefulwhoevers and then you will be down the road. Mum was right he was quickly down the road. Guess you can call it business but no integrity with the facade of a connection they created with him.

They put on a yearly xmas pantomime for the Greymouth people, big feast and drinks. Picking to keep the locals sweet
so they are more inclined to turn a blind eye to what is actually
going on at Gloriavale, be accepted.

The clothes remind me of the get-up on Little House on the Prairie.

High time it was shutdown. Slave labour, sexual abuse etc etc.

Some years ago, when that lot were still in nth Canterbury, friends & I were out that way when we somehow managed to get lost. We saw what looked like a school so went to ask directions. Very strange experience - the bloke  who was the teacher was dressed in old fashioned clothes couldn't get rid of us fast enough & there were dozens of kids plastered to the windows, gawping at the weird people outside. Extremely strange vibes from that chap, & the whole place, & that was back when they were still known as Cooperites.

A very dodgy outfit, that lot.

(25-02-2022, 06:12 PM)king1 Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 06:05 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Some years ago, when that lot were still in nth Canterbury, friends & I were out that way when we somehow managed to get lost. We saw what looked like a school so went to ask directions. Very strange experience - the bloke  who was the teacher was dressed in old fashioned clothes couldn't get rid of us fast enough & there were dozens of kids plastered to the windows, gawping at the weird people outside. Extremely strange vibes from that chap, & the whole place, & that was back when they were still known as Cooperites.

A very dodgy outfit, that lot.

was that the place off the main road near Waipara? I remember when i was younger being told stories of a commune or cult or some such living there

(25-02-2022, 06:05 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 05:53 PM)mike Wrote: They had all the trades except a butcher, mums late partner was who was a retired  butcher was employed by them. They greased him up like a strippers pole, filled his car up with gas, 
(Was coming from Blackball) as well as an hourly rate, gave food etc. Mum said Terry they are using you to train hopefulwhoevers and then you will be down the road. Mum was right he was quickly down the road. Guess you can call it business but no integrity with the facade of a connection they created with him.

They put on a yearly xmas pantomime for the Greymouth people, big feast and drinks. Picking to keep the locals sweet
so they are more inclined to turn a blind eye to what is actually
going on at Gloriavale, be accepted.

The clothes remind me of the get-up on Little House on the Prairie.

High time it was shutdown. Slave labour, sexual abuse etc etc.

Some years ago, when that lot were still in nth Canterbury, friends & I were out that way when we somehow managed to get lost. We saw what looked like a school so went to ask directions. Very strange experience - the bloke  who was the teacher was dressed in old fashioned clothes couldn't get rid of us fast enough & there were dozens of kids plastered to the windows, gawping at the weird people outside. Extremely strange vibes from that chap, & the whole place, & that was back when they were still known as Cooperites.

A very dodgy outfit, that lot.

Was told the Cooperites were run out of Cust by the good people of Rangoon.
Fled to the coast and rebranded. Don't know if still going on but they
were known to be collecting huge WINZ unemployment etc benefits.
They very wealthy "Cult' own helicopters etc.

Yeah spooky looking place in Cust.

Know a guy who was married to the late top brass's daughter and she has a lot
of emotional problems. Kids involved, messy situation.

Camp David is the one you are thinking of King. One of them was a mate's teacher
at Rangoon high. Rangoon high dropped the ball employing him.

(25-02-2022, 03:15 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Interesting article on Gloriavale for anyone interested.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127860220/dark-side-of-gloriavale-needs-to-be-brought-to-the-light-longterm-resident-says


When you have families torn apart in the name of God in a Christian community, then I believe something is very wrong. Is this the way Jesus would want it to be?

ÔÇ£There is a dark side hidden in this community, which needs to be brought to the light.ÔÇØ


He described Gloriavale as ÔÇ£a brutal control regimeÔÇØ, with members conditioned to follow the shepherdsÔÇÖ authority from a young age, by a combination of public humiliation, withholding food, and, in the past, physical punishment.

Disciple said leaving did not feel like an option."

(03-03-2022, 10:25 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 03:15 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Interesting article on Gloriavale for anyone interested.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127860220/dark-side-of-gloriavale-needs-to-be-brought-to-the-light-longterm-resident-says


When you have families torn apart in the name of God in a Christian community, then I believe something is very wrong. Is this the way Jesus would want it to be?

ÔÇ£There is a dark side hidden in this community, which needs to be brought to the light.ÔÇØ


He described Gloriavale as ÔÇ£a brutal control regimeÔÇØ, with members conditioned to follow the shepherdsÔÇÖ authority from a young age, by a combination of public humiliation, withholding food, and, in the past, physical punishment.

Disciple said leaving did not feel like an option."

Absolutley disgusting, I have to keep reminding myself of this and count my lucky stars that I was not born into this cult.
I recently left the Jehovahs Witness cult, and thats bad enough, Ive lost all my friends and family and have virtually no-one.
So many similarities to gloriavale with the practice of shunning those that leave.

All these cults need to loose their charity status, they are not a charity, but a business and they harm lives, not help them.
But the public need to be aware of this and be educated to it or else nothing will be done, other countries are starting to wake up to it.

(03-03-2022, 10:25 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(25-02-2022, 03:15 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Interesting article on Gloriavale for anyone interested.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127860220/dark-side-of-gloriavale-needs-to-be-brought-to-the-light-longterm-resident-says


When you have families torn apart in the name of God in a Christian community, then I believe something is very wrong. Is this the way Jesus would want it to be?

ÔÇ£There is a dark side hidden in this community, which needs to be brought to the light.ÔÇØ


He described Gloriavale as ÔÇ£a brutal control regimeÔÇØ, with members conditioned to follow the shepherdsÔÇÖ authority from a young age, by a combination of public humiliation, withholding food, and, in the past, physical punishment.

Disciple said leaving did not feel like an option."

Absolutley disgusting, I have to keep reminding myself of this and count my lucky stars that I was not born into this cult which is much worse than what I had to deal with.
I recently left the Jehovahs Witness cult, and thats bad enough, Ive lost all my friends and family and have virtually no-one.
So many similarities to gloriavale with the practice of shunning those that leave.

All these cults need to loose their charity status, they are not a charity, but a business and they harm lives, not help them.
But the public need to be aware of this and be educated to it or else nothing will be done, other countries are starting to wake up to it.

(03-03-2022, 11:03 AM)king1 Wrote:

(03-03-2022, 10:25 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Absolutley disgusting, I have to keep reminding myself of this and count my lucky stars that I was not born into this cult which is much worse than what I had to deal with.
I recently left the Jehovahs Witness cult, and thats bad enough, Ive lost all my friends and family and have virtually no-one.
So many similarities to gloriavale with the practice of shunning those that leave.

All these cults need to loose their charity status, they are not a charity, but a business and they harm lives, not help them.
But the public need to be aware of this and be educated to it or else nothing will be done, other countries are starting to wake up to it.

Had a client in the same boat as you recently, his was the Exclusive Brethren that he left.  They all seem to have the same MO,  shunning those that leave etc scientology is another.

Best move you ever made if might be bold enough to say, there is no place in a free thinking world for that level of control of people's bodies and mind...

(03-03-2022, 11:03 AM)king1 Wrote:

(03-03-2022, 10:25 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Absolutley disgusting, I have to keep reminding myself of this and count my lucky stars that I was not born into this cult which is much worse than what I had to deal with.
I recently left the Jehovahs Witness cult, and thats bad enough, Ive lost all my friends and family and have virtually no-one.
So many similarities to gloriavale with the practice of shunning those that leave.

All these cults need to loose their charity status, they are not a charity, but a business and they harm lives, not help them.
But the public need to be aware of this and be educated to it or else nothing will be done, other countries are starting to wake up to it.

Had a client in the same boat as you recently, his was the Exclusive Brethren that he left.  They all seem to have the same MO,  shunning those that leave etc scientology is another.

Best move you ever made if might be bold enough to say, there is no place in a free thinking world for that level of control of people's bodies and mind...

(03-03-2022, 01:47 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(03-03-2022, 11:03 AM)king1 Wrote: Had a client in the same boat as you recently, his was the Exclusive Brethren that he left.  They all seem to have the same MO,  shunning those that leave etc scientology is another.

Best move you ever made if might be bold enough to say, there is no place in a free thinking world for that level of control of people's bodies and mind...

If it was up to me, all religions would be legally prevented from requiring their followers to wear any particular type of dress, headgear or hairstyle.
And if they were living in a communal situation such as Gloriavale, they'd be required to pay workers  at the very least an average wage, which the 'church' would have no say over. And also be legally prevented from stopping members associating with any family members who weren't involved in their church.

(03-03-2022, 02:05 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(03-03-2022, 01:47 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: If it was up to me, all religions would be legally prevented from requiring their followers to wear any particular type of dress, headgear or hairstyle.
And if they were living in a communal situation such as Gloriavale, they'd be required to pay workers  at the very least an average wage, which the 'church' would have no say over. And also be legally prevented from stopping members associating with any family members who weren't involved in their church.

We had similar restrictions on dress and grooming.
Guys were not allowed beards or long hair and woman would not be allowed to wear short skirts.
It was so great to have freedoms back after leaving that we did not even understand what it was like to be "normal"
I didnt even understand what freedom meant.

(03-03-2022, 03:17 PM)king1 Wrote:

(03-03-2022, 02:05 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: We had similar restrictions on dress and grooming.
Guys were not allowed beards or long hair and woman would not be allowed to wear short skirts.
It was so great to have freedoms back after leaving that we did not even understand what it was like to be "normal"
I didnt even understand what freedom meant.

Now we just need to work on the principle that freedom is not actually free
There are costs to a society and its members that must be paid in return for the aforementioned freedoms