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The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127703803/nilbymouth-strike-enters-62nd-hour-as-son-tries-to-see-dying-dad?cid=app-android
Faceless people casting lots to decide who can and can't leave early even when the risk to health is so low as to be ridiculous. 
208 new infections yesterday -19 in MIQ?  Where is the risk MBIE?
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-02-2022
I wonder how many lives MIQ has saved? Cruel? I guess it depends on who you ask, the whingers or those who benefited...
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 09:49 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I wonder how many lives MIQ has saved? Cruel? I guess it depends on who you ask, the whingers or those who benefited...When community infections are 10 to1 where is the risk?
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-02-2022
It is an unanswerable question, because we have no idea what life without MIQ in place would be like.
Would you have liked to risk that? In this small country where everyone knows each other with only one or two degrees of separation?
Not me thank you. I like being alive.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 10:20 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: It is an unanswerable question, because we have no idea what life without MIQ in place would be like.Not saying MIQ didn't have its place. However with the present level of infections in the community the present need for it is basically nullified.
Would you have liked to risk that? In this small country where everyone knows each other with only one or two degrees of separation?
Not me thank you. I like being alive.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - king1 - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 10:29 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Probably better that those sorts of decisions are made by medical professionals - they will have a far better view of the big picture.  As you suggest though MIQ has certainly served its purpose, and it's role will no doubt be changed to suit the needs at the time...(07-02-2022, 10:20 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: It is an unanswerable question, because we have no idea what life without MIQ in place would be like.Not saying MIQ didn't have its place. However with the present level of infections in the community the present need for it is basically nullified.
Would you have liked to risk that? In this small country where everyone knows each other with only one or two degrees of separation?
Not me thank you. I like being alive.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
Well the good news is it appears MBIE has folded and will allow him to visit. A better result than the poor woman who sat in her hotel room across from Christchurch hospital begging to be let out early only to have her mum die 2 days before she was released.
(07-02-2022, 10:57 AM)king1 Wrote:I would be interested to know the qualifications of those making the decisions in these matters.  Somehow I doubt they are doctors or specialists in communicable diseases.(07-02-2022, 10:29 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Not saying MIQ didn't have its place. However with the present level of infections in the community the present need for it is basically nullified.Probably better that those sorts of decisions are made by medical professionals - they will have a far better view of the big picture.  As you suggest though MIQ has certainly served its purpose, and it's role will no doubt be changed to suit the needs at the time...
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Magoo - 07-02-2022
its being fazed out
apologies for taking too long
been erring on the safety side, all new territory
still alive?
youre welcome
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 11:20 AM)Magoo Wrote: its being fazed outConsidering a motality rate of 1% for covid the chance of being alive are high regardless.  More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.
apologies for taking too long
been erring on the safety side, all new territory
still alive?
youre welcome
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - yousnoozeyoulose - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.
I see that it didn't take long to get to the utter tosh portion of your postings.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Magoo - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:so all the vulnerable people in your family and friends are still alive?(07-02-2022, 11:20 AM)Magoo Wrote: its being fazed outConsidering a motality rate of 1% for covid the chance of being alive are high regardless.  More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.
apologies for taking too long
been erring on the safety side, all new territory
still alive?
youre welcome
youre welcome
youre still alive to die in a train wreck.
youre welcome.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - king1 - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:1% is a shit load of people dying... you good with that?(07-02-2022, 11:20 AM)Magoo Wrote: its being fazed outConsidering a motality rate of 1% for covid the chance of being alive are high regardless.  More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.
apologies for taking too long
been erring on the safety side, all new territory
still alive?
youre welcome
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-02-2022
Phased...
As in that phase has passed and we are entering a new and more dangerous one. But don't let that faze you, just wear as many masks as you can fit on your face and get boosted.
(07-02-2022, 12:06 PM)king1 Wrote:If only those advocating for people to die were willing to be first in that very short queue.(07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Considering a motality rate of 1% for covid the chance of being alive are high regardless.  More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.1% is a shit load of people dying... you good with that?
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 12:06 PM)king1 Wrote:it is actually less than 1%.  And it is 1% of those infected may die.  Not everyone in general.  700 people a year die of flu.  10000 die of cancer.  380 people a year die from car accidents.  (07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Considering a motality rate of 1% for covid the chance of being alive are high regardless.  More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.1% is a shit load of people dying... you good with that?
If you look at the number of covid infections in NZ vs deaths that mortality is even lower especially when you consider the majority of people who died were already old and infirm.  Hell one person shot by police is in the official covid deaths
(07-02-2022, 11:33 AM)yousnoozeyoulose Wrote:As opposed go the crap you spout?(07-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: More likely I will die from a train derailment on my way to work.
I see that it didn't take long to get to the utter tosh portion of your postings.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Lilith7 - 07-02-2022
The pandemic is an entirely new situation for most countries around the world; mistakes have been & likely will continue to be made because this is very much a 'learn as we go' for all of us.
Just as our ancestors eventually learned that it wasn't a very good idea to keep the bodies of those who died from the black plague around for too long after death.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - yousnoozeyoulose - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 01:00 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: As opposed go the crap you spout?Oooh, go on.
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - king1 - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 01:00 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Well it's entirely helpful that the numbers we have had are the direct result of a relatively speaking, well managed pandemic response. Had that not been the case or things turn for the worse in NZ then your 1% is still going to be a lot of people dying...(07-02-2022, 12:06 PM)king1 Wrote: 1% is a shit load of people dying... you good with that?it is actually less than 1%.  And it is 1% of those infected may die.  Not everyone in general.  700 people a year die of flu.  10000 die of cancer.  380 people a year die from car accidents.  
If you look at the number of covid infections in NZ vs deaths that mortality is even lower especially when you consider the majority of people who died were already old and infirm.  Hell one person shot by police is in the official covid deaths
Some would say only one preventable death is too many...
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Wainuiguy - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 02:30 PM)king1 Wrote:We can't save everyone.  Would be nice if we could  but we cant.  You could say we could ban all cars as they kill 380 people to year -  many of those deaths preventable.(07-02-2022, 01:00 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: it is actually less than 1%.  And it is 1% of those infected may die.  Not everyone in general.  700 people a year die of flu.  10000 die of cancer.  380 people a year die from car accidents.  Well it's entirely helpful that the numbers we have had are the direct result of a relatively speaking, well managed pandemic response.  Had that not been the case or things turn for the worse in NZ then your 1% is still going to be a lot of people dying... 
If you look at the number of covid infections in NZ vs deaths that mortality is even lower especially when you consider the majority of people who died were already old and infirm.  Hell one person shot by police is in the official covid deaths
Some would say only one preventable death is too many...
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - king1 - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 02:54 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:maybe, but we shouldn't allow people to die unnecessarily either.(07-02-2022, 02:30 PM)king1 Wrote: Well it's entirely helpful that the numbers we have had are the direct result of a relatively speaking, well managed pandemic response.  Had that not been the case or things turn for the worse in NZ then your 1% is still going to be a lot of people dying... We can't save everyone.  Would be nice if we could  but we cant.  You could say we could ban all cars as they kill 380 people to year -  many of those deaths preventable.
Some would say only one preventable death is too many...
RE: The cruelty of MIQ - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-02-2022
(07-02-2022, 02:54 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:I know how to lower the road toll. Fast.  Shoot all drunk drivers.(07-02-2022, 02:30 PM)king1 Wrote: Well it's entirely helpful that the numbers we have had are the direct result of a relatively speaking, well managed pandemic response.  Had that not been the case or things turn for the worse in NZ then your 1% is still going to be a lot of people dying... We can't save everyone.  Would be nice if we could  but we cant.  You could say we could ban all cars as they kill 380 people to year -  many of those deaths preventable.
Some would say only one preventable death is too many...