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RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Oh_hunnihunni - 05-07-2025
Dick Emory I believe...
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - harm_less - 05-07-2025
(05-07-2025, 05:33 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Dick Emory I believe...Got it in 1
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Lilith7 - 05-07-2025
That was it, I'd forgotten. I think he may have had Diana Dors on his show at one point.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - SueDonim - 10-07-2025
(05-07-2025, 04:47 PM)harm_less Wrote:(05-07-2025, 03:00 PM)heisenberg Wrote: the people who love ardern are sheep and are getting what they deserve as this government trys to fix her mess, its a pity labour didnt win the last election and were having to clean their own messYou've been asked to expand on your claims that the Labour government Jacinda led "effed" the country (crickets...) and now you're bleating on about the country being a "mess". Do we have to take your accusations as worth considering or are you actually going to provide some substance to your ramblings? And if you're commenting on the state of our economy or our social cohesion, have you taken any notice of the finances of most other countries presently?
I used to do the members of this forum the courtesy of looking up facts and providing evidence to be sure that whatever I was saying was as credible and factual as possible but it made no difference. Eventually I just gave up and largely went away. As most newcomers seem to do.
Jacinda Ardern as Labour Party leader and PM got a lot of blame that should be assigned more collectively as she was just that - the leader - and was only the figurehead for the party policy. But i have to admit that right from when I first saw those teeth I thought "wolf".
As far as the state of the country goes, it's a matter of "where do you start?". So I'll start with the Covid response.
The country needed to shut down to enable people to stay home and stay alive. That was well done at the beginning when the virus was so dangerous, and there were a lot of good aspects to the way it was all handled. Then things started to go downhill. We were far too slow getting vaccines and RAT tests, to the extent that private companies started importing their own RATs, only to have them confiscated (ie stolen by the government) at the border on the way in. And then there was the MIQ fiasco. Again, necessary but appallingly badly managed. At the very least the incoming flights should have been coordinated with the MIQ beds but weren't. Etc. Then allowing for partial shutdowns of specific areas was a good idea, but why was the Auckland motorway closed for so long? Business transport that had no intention of stopping in the city couldn't even go past it so Northland became totally and unnecessarily isolated.
Then there are all the other things Labour Did - eg vilifying landlords and pushing many out of business with the very foreseeable result of pushing rents up and creating a rental housing shortage. Again, a lot of well meaning but misguided rule changes that could have been done so much better and achieved a better result if only those who actually knew what they were talking about had been listened to.
It doesn't take much of a Google search to get a list of the rest of the muck ups.
So now we have a different government trying to clean up as much of the mess as we can and slowly - too slowly - making headway. They are having to fight a biased (or is it ignorant) media every step of the way. A media who instead of explaining what proposed legislation is about just takes the "anti" line and winds everyone up with comment from the ignorati.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - king1 - 10-07-2025
RAT tests and vaccines were in short supply world wide if I recall, you can't just magic them up...
Immigration caused the rental housing shortage over a large number of years and successive governments.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing - the reason we have enquiries is to learn from the mistakes of the past (yes there are always mistakes) and do better next time... They were all very unique circumstances...
and then there is the whole issue of what you see as a muck up, others see as necessary. Right now I see the (lack of a) Ferry debacle as a big National muck up
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Oh_hunnihunni - 10-07-2025
And yet Labour built a heck of a lot more housing than the current lot. Albeit tickytacky stacks of boxes in inappropriate places, but they are all filled now.
This government though is cutting subsidies, with the end result homeless people cannot even get on the list for available safe dry homes.
That is really sad, and soul destroying for those of us already blessed to have such homes, watching neighbouring flats stay empty.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - harm_less - 10-07-2025
Very much in the vein of 'Yes Minister' the restrictions enacted during COVID were actioned by MBIE, and that department still very much exists and malfunctions in the same way under the current government than it did back then.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Lilith7 - 11-07-2025
(10-07-2025, 05:53 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And yet Labour built a heck of a lot more housing than the current lot. Albeit tickytacky stacks of boxes in inappropriate places, but they are all filled now.
This government though is cutting subsidies, with the end result homeless people cannot even get on the list for available safe dry homes.
That is really sad, and soul destroying for those of us already blessed to have such homes, watching neighbouring flats stay empty.
Not to mention them kicking women in the teeth with regard to pay equity.
And attempting to remove food from hungry kids & when that failed, removing what was in place & instead serving up what mostlly amounted to slop.
They deserve to be a one term govt.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - heisenberg - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 11:46 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: And attempting to remove food from hungry kids & when that failed, removing what was in place & instead serving up what mostlly amounted to slop.
They deserve to be a one term govt.
whats that saying ...dont look a gift horse in the mouth
if they dont like the food bring their own lunch
easy isnt it
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Oh_hunnihunni - 11-07-2025
See? These are kids. If they were adults, with power, I would agree. But the fact is kids have none. If parents don't feed them, family doesn't feed them, neighbours don't feed them then what do they do?
They steal.
Because hunger is real, and must be satisfied.
And guess what? Punishing them, or their families, or their neighbours or their schools still doesn't feed them. So they steal.
They'll get fed in jail.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - heisenberg - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 02:17 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: See? These are kids. If they were adults, with power, I would agree. But the fact is kids have none. If parents don't feed them, family doesn't feed them, neighbours don't feed them then what do they do?
They steal.
Because hunger is real, and must be satisfied.
And guess what? Punishing them, or their families, or their neighbours  or their schools still doesn't feed them. So they steal.
They'll get fed in jail.
or they just eat the free lunch that someone elseÔÇÖs paid for
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Praktica - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 02:59 PM)heisenberg Wrote:So? You were born in a hospital someone else paid for...educated at someone elses expense...you drive on roads paid for by others, and use many other facilities others have contributed to.(11-07-2025, 02:17 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: See? These are kids. If they were adults, with power, I would agree. But the fact is kids have none. If parents don't feed them, family doesn't feed them, neighbours don't feed them then what do they do?
They steal.
Because hunger is real, and must be satisfied.
And guess what? Punishing them, or their families, or their neighbours  or their schools still doesn't feed them. So they steal.
They'll get fed in jail.
or they just eat the free lunch that someone elseÔÇÖs paid for
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Lilith7 - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 12:45 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(11-07-2025, 11:46 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: And attempting to remove food from hungry kids & when that failed, removing what was in place & instead serving up what mostlly amounted to slop.
They deserve to be a one term govt.
whats that saying ...dont look a gift horse in the mouth
if they dont like the food bring their own lunch
easy isnt it
NO it damn well is NOT "easy" & that is the problem. IF it was easy, we wouldn't have hungry kids because parents wouldn't need to choose between rent & food. 
But as always, the right prefer to blame victims.
One term govt.
(11-07-2025, 02:59 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(11-07-2025, 02:17 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: See? These are kids. If they were adults, with power, I would agree. But the fact is kids have none. If parents don't feed them, family doesn't feed them, neighbours don't feed them then what do they do?
They steal.
Because hunger is real, and must be satisfied.
And guess what? Punishing them, or their families, or their neighbours  or their schools still doesn't feed them. So they steal.
They'll get fed in jail.
or they just eat the free lunch that someone elseÔÇÖs paid for
Cheap at the price.
When kids are going hungry you blardy well feed them.
Regardless of what their situation might be, whether that be neglectful parents or parents struggling to keep the roof over their heads; you feed the kids.
Though clearly some would prefer a return to Victorian times. Or feudal...
(11-07-2025, 02:17 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: See? These are kids. If they were adults, with power, I would agree. But the fact is kids have none. If parents don't feed them, family doesn't feed them, neighbours don't feed them then what do they do?
They steal.
Because hunger is real, and must be satisfied.
And guess what? Punishing them, or their families, or their neighbours  or their schools still doesn't feed them. So they steal.
They'll get fed in jail.
The thing which really grates is that most people are well aware of that, they know where allowing kids to go hungry leads.
They do not care.
Possibly because, come the next election when thanks to their actions, crime has risen, they can claim they'll 'get tough on crime' & that'll fix everything.
They cannot possibly be unaware that that is total BS & does not work but it allows them to look as if they're taking care of the situation. 
They do not care.
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - heisenberg - 11-07-2025
they ARE feeding them, the recipients of the free food choose not to eat, cant be that hungry eh
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - king1 - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 04:21 PM)heisenberg Wrote: they ARE feeding them, the recipients of the free food choose not to eat, cant be that hungry eh
for the few that turn their noses up yes you're probably right - for the majority or recipients, I imagine it is appreciated...
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - Oh_hunnihunni - 11-07-2025
Okay, did you eat yukky stuff put in front of you when you were a kid? Even if it meant nothing else being offered? I certainly didn't.
Neither did my kid. Drove me nuts at times. But sometimes that is the only agency a child has - rebellion.
If we are going to feed kids at all, surely it should be something they will eat?
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - heisenberg - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 03:08 PM)Praktica Wrote:(11-07-2025, 02:59 PM)heisenberg Wrote: or they just eat the free lunch that someone elseÔÇÖs paid forSo? You were born in a hospital someone else paid for...educated at someone elses expense...you drive on roads paid for by others, and use many other facilities others have contributed to.
bla bla bla
but i donÔÇÖt say i dont like this hospital i want another one or i dont like this school i want a different school or i donÔÇÖt like these roads i want different roads or i donÔÇÖt like these other facilities give me other facilitys
this governmentÔÇÖs treating me badly by not giving me what I want
the roads are shit though
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - king1 - 11-07-2025
I remember my Mum trying to feed me spinach when I was about five... they must of been on a healthy food bender at the time, I wasn't allowed to leave the table till it was gone - she ended up sprinkling several teaspoons of sugar on it before I would eat it - talk about giving mixed messages to your kids...
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - heisenberg - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 04:47 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Okay, did you eat yukky stuff put in front of you when you were a kid? Even if it meant nothing else being offered? I certainly didn't.
Neither did my kid. Drove me nuts at times. But sometimes that is the only agency a child has - rebellion.
If we are going to feed kids at all, surely it should be something they will eat?
i ate what was dished up
whats yucky? some of these starving waifs have probably never eaten a vegetable , should they be fed kfc or mcd's
if the kids arenÔÇÖt being fed at home the "authorities " need to see why not continue on the state carrying them from cradle to grave
RE: Ia Taylor finally sees through the glimmer and glitter - king1 - 11-07-2025
(11-07-2025, 05:00 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(11-07-2025, 03:08 PM)Praktica Wrote: So? You were born in a hospital someone else paid for...educated at someone elses expense...you drive on roads paid for by others, and use many other facilities others have contributed to.
bla bla bla
but i donÔÇÖt say i dont like this hospital i want another one or i dont like this school i want a different school or i donÔÇÖt like these roads i want different roads or i donÔÇÖt like these other facilities give me other facilitys
this governmentÔÇÖs treating me badly by not giving me what I want
the roads are shit though
Your hospital wasn't replaced with an inferior one for 20% of the cost.  or your school, or your roads...  Imagine the uproar then?