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RE: How long before they are jabbing us all for monkeypox?... - Lilith7 - 12-07-2022
(11-07-2022, 07:48 PM)dken31 Wrote:Really - the polio vaccine 'causes polio?'(11-07-2022, 11:49 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: Did you get vaccinated against Polio? Or do you prefer to run the risk of contracting it?
IF there is a vaccine which protects against monkey pox, are you saying that you won't get it & prefer to take the risk of becoming infected?
"Only affects homosexuals??"
So you think that's OK & there's no need to worry about it then? Is that what you're saying?
Seeing as more cases of Polio are now caused by the vaccine than the wild virus, only a misguided fool would risk the vaccine if they're not at risk from the wild virus (i.e. they're hygienic, have a reasonable diet, healthy living conditions, don't live in the third world etc.).
Vaccines might be "safe and effective" but they most definitely not completely risk free.  So, if you're not at risk from the whatever the vaccine is attempting to protect you from, it is a demonstration of very poor risk v. reward analysis to get vaccinated.
So, it is absolutely relevant that monkeypox is almost exclusively passed on via promiscuous sexual behaviour.  If you're in a monogamous relationship, the monkeypox vaccine is a risk (possibly small, but a risk nonetheless) for essentially no reward.
Do you have any links to a credible site with proof of that claim?
I don't think I've ever heard anyone make the claim that any vaccine is entirely risk free; more usually its stated that there's always a small risk.
You appear to believe that only gay people are promiscuous; that isn't so.
Have now seen & read the links, TY for that. Those cases appear to be in areas where a cheaper & weaker vaccine is used; imo that' something which should never happen.
RE: How long before they are jabbing us all for monkeypox?... - SueDonim - 12-07-2022
(11-07-2022, 10:22 PM)dken31 Wrote:(11-07-2022, 07:57 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Could you back up the vaccine claim with a link or two please? I know post polio syndome is an issue but I have never heard of the vaccine causing the disease...
Seeing as more cases of Polio are now caused by the vaccine than the wild virus, only a misguided fool would risk the vaccine if they're not at risk from the wild virus (i.e. they're hygienic, have a reasonable diet, healthy living conditions, don't live in the third world etc.).
Vaccines might be "safe and effective" but they most definitely not completely risk free.  So, if you're not at risk from the whatever the vaccine is attempting to protect you from, it is a demonstration of very poor risk v. reward analysis to get vaccinated.
So, it is absolutely relevant that monkeypox is almost exclusively passed on via promiscuous sexual behaviour.  If you're in a monogamous relationship, the monkeypox vaccine is a risk (possibly small, but a risk nonetheless) for essentially no reward.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/04/26/1092867458/vaccine-derived-polio-is-on-the-rise-a-new-vaccine-aims-to-stop-the-spread
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/polio-vaccination-causes-more-infections-than-wild-virus-66778
Your sources are reasonable but are talking about third world countries using cheaper live vaccine. That has no relationship to the developed world and is an example of the kind of mis-reading of information that causes misunderstanding and the spread of misinformation. To say that more cases of polio are caused by the vaccine than the virus might be factual but is totally misleading in context.
You are right that at present monkeypox is currently being passed on in the promiscuous subcultures and the rest of us have little risk. Just like AIDS. Over time though it could find its way into populations where people live in close proximity to one another - eg the same households that get rheumatic fever and meningitis. So we should all stay vigilant.
To get the real context of the polio vaccine issue, read https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00238-3/fulltext (Lancet, Global epidemiology of vaccine-derived poliovirus 2016ÔÇô2021).
 The article says very clearly that "Our findings reinforce the importance of maintaining high levels of vaccination, as risk of re-emergence rises when immunity wanes. Interventions to increase vaccination and standards of living in developing countries, coupled with robust surveillance are required if humanity hopes to eradicate polio in the near future." AND "there is little doubt that low population immunity to polio due to low vaccination coverage increases the risk of cVDPV [circulating Vaccine-derived poliovirus]".