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RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - kevlights - 11-03-2022
(10-03-2022, 09:35 PM)king1 Wrote:(10-03-2022, 09:24 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: And a PM denying there is any cost of living crisis and looking totally out of touch with middle NZ who are struggling.Have to agree, but did it not sound eerily reminiscent of John Key claiming there was no housing crisis...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Oh_hunnihunni - 11-03-2022
Eye on the golf ball or the one revolving round the Sun? As I said - perspective.
We don't know how lucky we are, boys, we don't know how lucky...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
we dont know how propitious are the circumstances, Fredrick
i think i have perspective, insofar as none of this really effects me,
its other people i see struggling that bother me.
my luck is my own, for others it has not been so
you shouldnt have two working parents and still not make ends meet.
this reminds me of something. indentured servitude.
whether you are sat in a burned out bus shelter in Kiev
or a state house in otara, hungry is hungry.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Oh_hunnihunni - 11-03-2022
I agree completely. I also understand from my own experience how big an influence sheer luck or coincidence or accident has in our lives. Which is why celebrating our good fortune is always a good idea, because life is an interesting process and changes are always just hours away.
There but for the grace...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Wainuiguy - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 01:38 AM)kevlights Wrote:Potentially but if it was crisis then it is an apocalypse now.(10-03-2022, 09:35 PM)king1 Wrote: Have to agree, but did it not sound eerily reminiscent of John Key claiming there was no housing crisis...
Ardern was caught badly by Luxons comments in a Cost of Living Crisis.  She couldn't admit it was or it makes the government look bad but then she went the other direction with denial which made her look out of step.  Luxon backed her nicely into the corner.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - king1 - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 09:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Potentially but if it was crisis then it is an apocalypse now.Well I can't disagree, it is never a good look when politicians deny the reality that people are living...  Let's hope she learns from this in the remaining time until the next election...
Ardern was caught badly by Luxons comments in a Cost of Living Crisis.  She couldn't admit it was or it makes the government look bad but then she went the other direction with denial which made her look out of step.  Luxon backed her nicely into the corner.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - ObeWan - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 09:17 AM)king1 Wrote:There is a video of a recent interview of her by Ryan Bridge circulating on social media where he questions her about the cost of living but specifically the amount of tax the government takes from the price of a litre of petrol.(11-03-2022, 09:12 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Potentially but if it was crisis then it is an apocalypse now.Well I can't disagree, it is never a good look when politicians deny the reality that people are living...  Let's hope she learns from this in the remaining time until the next election...
Ardern was caught badly by Luxons comments in a Cost of Living Crisis.  She couldn't admit it was or it makes the government look bad but then she went the other direction with denial which made her look out of step.  Luxon backed her nicely into the corner.
One question was: do you know how much the government takes in tax from a litre of fuel?
She didnÔÇÖt.
It was not a great interview for her, full of stutters, stammers umms and aahhs and lots of denial and deflection and the usual blame Covid.
A Prime Minister who realises she is in trouble big time.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
77 cents a litre if anyones wondering.
i dont think the tax should be geared as a percentage of the cost.
the price of gas is too volatile, and the need too great
i think it should be a flat rate adjustable as needed.
40 cents a litre would be a start.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - king1 - 11-03-2022
The bigger picture though is if they don't get the revenue from the fuel tax, where does it come from? or more importantly, what services would have to be foregone... Running a country is a zero sum game...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 09:58 AM)king1 Wrote: The bigger picture though is if they don't get the revenue from the fuel tax, where does it come from? or more importantly, what services would have to be foregone... Running a country is a zero sum game...were budgets not based on the projected income at the time of budgeting?
the extra take is 'found' money, ex budget.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - ObeWan - 11-03-2022
It is an excise tax.
The proceeds of taxes collected from fuel must only go to roading and transport infrastructure by law.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - king1 - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 10:02 AM)Magoo Wrote:same happens to the expense side as well though, unexpected or inflationary cost increases over and above the budget...(11-03-2022, 09:58 AM)king1 Wrote: The bigger picture though is if they don't get the revenue from the fuel tax, where does it come from? or more importantly, what services would have to be foregone... Running a country is a zero sum game...were budgets not based on the projected income at the time of budgeting?
the extra take is 'found' money, ex budget.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 10:08 AM)king1 Wrote:is that not budgeted for as well?(11-03-2022, 10:02 AM)Magoo Wrote: were budgets not based on the projected income at the time of budgeting?same happens to the expense side as well though, unexpected or inflationary cost increases over and above the budget...
the extra take is 'found' money, ex budget.
so that we dont have to rely on a 'potential' increase in the tax take to cover shortfalls?
the money still remains found?
makes me think of the california lottery
all its proceeds go to education. substantial proceeds.
this was supposed to be 'extra', something for schools to have for costs not covered by the fed's or state.
it was increasingly used for everything from wages to school buses, and in times of economic hardship (GFC)
the first thing to go is the disposable income that lottery tickets are.
the lottery take shrivelled and nearly bankrupted the school system.
happened during arnies watch i think.
(11-03-2022, 10:07 AM)ObeWan Wrote: It is an excise tax.must be a mountain of cash there
The proceeds of taxes collected from fuel must only go to roading and transport infrastructure by law.
labour havent started any new roading projects, dragged their feet those already underway (transmission gully)
and shelved everything national had shovel ready.
where tis?
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Lilith7 - 11-03-2022
(10-03-2022, 05:49 PM)yousnoozeyoulose Wrote: At last, something to make the right-whingers a bit less grumpy. They've been so utterly miserable for so long. Lets not forget though, that polls can be dodgy things.
People didn't want Covid. Labour protected them from getting it. Labour did well. Now there's Covid. Labour did bad. A story as old as time.
National 39 (+7)
Labour 37 (-3)
Green 9
Act 8 (-3)
Maori 2
Maori Party hold the balance of power. I'm sure that would turn out great for them for at least one term, and then turn toxic if history is any guide.
Its slightly disturbing to see the Nat leader being so 'caring' about those on low incomes all of a sudden, given their past history of completely ignoring those people for years & I have to wonder if some newer voters unaware of that may have taken him at his word. 
But then that's politics, & politicians aren't known for their honesty.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 02:15 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:and the public not known for their tolerance.(10-03-2022, 05:49 PM)yousnoozeyoulose Wrote: At last, something to make the right-whingers a bit less grumpy. They've been so utterly miserable for so long. Lets not forget though, that polls can be dodgy things.
People didn't want Covid. Labour protected them from getting it. Labour did well. Now there's Covid. Labour did bad. A story as old as time.
National 39 (+7)
Labour 37 (-3)
Green 9
Act 8 (-3)
Maori 2
Maori Party hold the balance of power. I'm sure that would turn out great for them for at least one term, and then turn toxic if history is any guide.
Its slightly disturbing to see the Nat leader being so 'caring' about those on low incomes all of a sudden, given their past history of completely ignoring those people for years & I have to wonder if some newer voters unaware of that may have taken him at his word. 
But then that's politics, & politicians aren't known for their honesty.
tis a tangled web we weave...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Lilith7 - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 02:33 PM)Magoo Wrote:Yep, although the public often puts up with something long past time.(11-03-2022, 02:15 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Lets not forget though, that polls can be dodgy things.and the public not known for their tolerance.
Its slightly disturbing to see the Nat leader being so 'caring' about those on low incomes all of a sudden, given their past history of completely ignoring those people for years & I have to wonder if some newer voters unaware of that may have taken him at his word. 
But then that's politics, & politicians aren't known for their honesty.
tis a tangled web we weave...
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - an amniote - 11-03-2022
(10-03-2022, 10:54 PM)Magoo Wrote: good governance involves forethought beyond the next election.When, in the last 30-40 years at least, was it never thus?
i see no evidence of this, all we do is react and respond, i see no proactive solutions at all.
RE: New poll from 1News/Kantar - Magoo - 11-03-2022
yes good point
our forebears undertook civil construction, built some awesome public facilities.
as well as hospitals, transportation infrastructure, and cultural honorific artwork/statuary etc.
as a genx/boomer generation we havent done squat.
weve closed more hospitals than weve built, same with schools.
no pyramids us
no great cathedrals, no sir parthenon? nope
no trevi fountains or sistine chapels here
instead we embraced brutalist landscapes of boxes and straight lines
measured everything we did by how cheap we could make it
a throwaway society without the forethought nor self awareness to make any positive or paradigm shift in the human condition.
the culmination of 10 thousand years of collective knowledge and higher learning us.
5he most advanced civilisation in history us
turned out to be a bunch of self absorbed slackers who just argued and broke shit
a constant source of embarrassment to any creator id wager
not to mention the look of abject disappointment on buddahs face
weve outshone our ancestors in both hubris and indifferent neglect.
im glad i stayed out of it.
so much easier than trying to do it straight.