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RE: Protesters being moved - Praktica - 03-03-2022
Speaking of a bunch of lies - there are videos of the protestors starting and spreading fires - and here you are, CT, spreading the alt right lie. These "protesters" weren't standing for my freedoms.
RE: Protesters being moved - Lilith7 - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 10:07 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: How disgusting to watch all this unfold yesterday!That same man is seen earlier in the clip, hitting police from behind. I'm reasonably sure that isn't the definition of a peaceful protest.
What was a peaceful protest turned into violence thanks to the police.
Here they beat up an old man and he falls to the ground, he was just trying to protect a lady.
https://www.facebook.com/dailyexaminernz/posts/129468239602784
The police overturned a generator that was running and it caught fire, burning the playground down.
The hypocrisy is out of this world THE POLICE GOT THEIR WAY AND GOT RID OF THEIR MANDATES.
Why do the unvaxxed police get to have their jobs back, nut no one else does?
How is that OK please tell me? Will the police be the ones paying for the damage to the playground they caused?
(video footage exists)
Then communist starlinda tells a bunch of lies on the news last night how the protesters got violent.
No they didnt, anyone that was down there saw what went down.
Now what a mess that needs cleaning up, the protesters promised they would tidy everything up afterwards, not going to happen now with the way they have been treated.
The police created this mess, not the protesters.
Pepper spray was used on peaceful protesters standing their ground for our freedoms.
Today i lost my respect for the police.
Sad day for democracy, win for communism.
And that group of 'peaceful protesters' have previously been harassing passers by who were wearing masks.
Please don't be so foolish as to make the silly claim that 'this is a win for communism" & don't pretend that the PM or govt is 'really communist' simply because you disagree with them. It would be as realistic to refer to a National or ACT govt as 'fascist' simply because you disagree with them.
RE: Protesters being moved - yousnoozeyoulose - 03-03-2022
Next, CT will be telling us that the Police were the ones that attempted to set the Law School on fire.
RE: Protesters being moved - king1 - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 10:07 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: How disgusting to watch all this unfold yesterday!Hey I'll bite,
What was a peaceful protest turned into violence thanks to the police.
Here they beat up an old man and he falls to the ground, he was just trying to protect a lady.
https://www.facebook.com/dailyexaminernz/posts/129468239602784
The police overturned a generator that was running and it caught fire, burning the playground down.
The hypocrisy is out of this world THE POLICE GOT THEIR WAY AND GOT RID OF THEIR MANDATES.
Why do the unvaxxed police get to have their jobs back, nut no one else does?
How is that OK please tell me? Will the police be the ones paying for the damage to the playground they caused?
(video footage exists)
Then communist starlinda tells a bunch of lies on the news last night how the protesters got violent.
No they didnt, anyone that was down there saw what went down.
Now what a mess that needs cleaning up, the protesters promised they would tidy everything up afterwards, not going to happen now with the way they have been treated.
The police created this mess, not the protesters.
Pepper spray was used on peaceful protesters standing their ground for our freedoms.
Today i lost my respect for the police.
Sad day for democracy, win for communism.
- Where is this lady you speak of he was 'protecting'? all I see is a bunch of cowards standing around with phones recording it... almost as if it were staged
- They were all told to leave ad nauseum, and he was still there... He wasn't just some random old man passing by who got in the way - he assaulted a police office, in the middle of a well publicised police operation to clear out the protesters, and was appropriately dealt with under the circumstances.
- A link should be provided to the video footage of the police deliberately overturning a generator that started the fire? 
- unvaxxed police get to have their jobs back because a court ordered it so (for now),  this is a democracy not communism so even the government have to follow court rulings...  
- Given the significant millions of dollars in damage they have cost New Zealanders, i'm pretty sure NZ doesnt give a fuck that those idiot protesters who were going to cleanup after themselves, won't now.  kinda of a pathetic statement to make imho
- You are deluded if you think there was anything peaceful about that protest at all, ever... 
- It was a sad day for democracy yes, it was a win for no-one...
RE: Protesters being moved - ObeWan - 03-03-2022
As I walk home, I check social media. The disinformation propaganda machine and its peddlers are hard at work, lying and fabricating, distorting the pure hard facts of this historic moment. The confusion, fear, and anger palpable on the faces of those left on WellingtonÔÇÖs streets is already being twisted and used by those who stand to gain the most from an anti-vaccination, or anti-democracy, or alt-right agenda. They variously claim that fires were deliberately lit by police and that ÔÇ£Antifa activistsÔÇØ were planted in the crowd.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300531054/parliament-protest-the-siege-might-be-over-but-the-propaganda-war-is-just-beginning
RE: Protesters being moved - Oh_hunnihunni - 03-03-2022
Someone deliberately gathered broken bits of concrete and brought them to the protest to throw at Police doing their job. Someone filled bottles with paint, to throw at Police doing their job.
Protesters hurt Police officers doing their job.
Peaceful? Yeah, right.
Stupid people. I hope they get jailed for assault.
RE: Protesters being moved - Oldfellah - 03-03-2022
C_T_Russell
A peaceful protest you say, you need to stop looking through rose coloured glasses, the footage I saw was a whole load of hooligans just busting for a fight and the police defending themselves. you say will police be made to pay for the playground which they destroyed of which I dont believe for a minute, BUT will the protesters be paying for all the damage they have caused over the last 3 weeks? You harp on about freedoms but that feral rabble didnt give a shit about causing havoc and disrupting everybody elses freedoms did they? Wankers like you make me want to puke, today I lost my respect for you , goodbye and dont come back in here again!!
RE: Protesters being moved - C_T_Russell - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 10:27 AM)Magoo Wrote: problem is CT we all saw it unfold. your post is full of lies, you are a liar.Were you there?
you have seen what you want to see.
are you part of that group of morons that thought this occupation was a 'success'.
do you think the rest of the public were behind you?
it wasnt and we arent, we see the protesters for the filthy scumbags they and their supporters are.
they dont represent my freedoms, the wankers. bunch of pissant losers.
as for the 'communism' bit, you are pushing the boat out on displaying how deluded you are
thank you police, awesome job.
Did you watch the livestreams from protesters phones?
Didnt you watch the video of that poor old man falling to the ground? Dont even think about defending the Police actions. There is no excuse for that.
I doubt it. Dont believe the narrative the MSM is telling you. Its all lies.
There are 2 sides to every story and Jacinda doesnt want you to hear the other side.
Here is some facts.
ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
RE: Protesters being moved - Oldfellah - 03-03-2022
'Broken' people wandering streets, remaining protesters unwelcome
In Wellington, a community worker says there are now a large number of "broken" people stranded in the capital city who were last night wandering the streets , half-naked with nowhere to go.
Papa Hone, who spent time at the Parliamentary protest site and was involved in police negotiations across the three-week occupation, said a number of adults and their children spent last night wandering the streets.
He said there were a lot of "confused" people ringing him for help after their vehicles were impounded and possessions destroyed after yesterday's police operation to reclaim Parliament grounds.
"We've heard about people walking around last night half-naked, people with no place to sleep," he posted on Facebook this morning.
"There are people that are stuck there with nowhere to go, don't know how they're going to get home."
Boo Hoo what a bloody shame , I dont give a toss.
RE: Protesters being moved - Magoo - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 11:52 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:lies, lies, lies. all of it.(03-03-2022, 10:27 AM)Magoo Wrote: problem is CT we all saw it unfold. your post is full of lies, you are a liar.Were you there?
you have seen what you want to see.
are you part of that group of morons that thought this occupation was a 'success'.
do you think the rest of the public were behind you?
it wasnt and we arent, we see the protesters for the filthy scumbags they and their supporters are.
they dont represent my freedoms, the wankers. bunch of pissant losers.
as for the 'communism' bit, you are pushing the boat out on displaying how deluded you are
thank you police, awesome job.
Did you watch the livestreams from protesters phones?
Didnt you watch the video of that poor old man falling to the ground? Dont even think about defending the Police actions. There is no excuse for that.
I doubt it. Dont believe the narrative the MSM is telling you. Its all lies.
There are 2 sides to every story and Jacinda doesnt want you to hear the other side.
Here is some facts.
ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
antifa my lily white arse. deflect, blame shift, lie
excuse makers, crybabys, bum hurt losers.
what a load of shit. we all see right thru it.
we waited for it, we watched it, we're happy with the outcome.
if a bunch of deluded morons think different there isnt much we can do about it, other than ignore them.
like the politicians did lol. no one gave them an ounce of respect.
they and their supporters will go down in history as a delusional unkempt rabble of morons.
RE: Protesters being moved - Praktica - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 11:52 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:Bullshit - the facebook page is a fake, and here you are spreading lies again. Take yourself off to where gullible idiots might believe you.(03-03-2022, 10:27 AM)Magoo Wrote: problem is CT we all saw it unfold. your post is full of lies, you are a liar.
you have seen what you want to see.
are you part of that group of morons that thought this occupation was a 'success'.
do you think the rest of the public were behind you?
it wasnt and we arent, we see the protesters for the filthy scumbags they and their supporters are.
they dont represent my freedoms, the wankers. bunch of pissant losers.
as for the 'communism' bit, you are pushing the boat out on displaying how deluded you are
thank you police, awesome job.
ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
RE: Protesters being moved - Magoo - 03-03-2022
CT has lost all perspective.
he cannot differentiate truth from lies.
it might be a medical 'thing'
RE: Protesters being moved - ObeWan - 03-03-2022
Sadly this is just the misinformation, conspiracy theories and bullshit being promoted by a bunch of loonie tin foil hatter morons who believe any wild theory posted by equally unhinged idiots.
I have little doubt that the Mongrel Mob were involved but Antifa?
Just another graduate of the Shit for Brains University.
I would say we will be battling this sort of garbage for years sadly.
This article on The Spinoff narrates how the misinformation about the fire started and spread despite the facts being shown in detail.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-03-2022/when-misinformation-spreads-like-fire
RE: Protesters being moved - Lilith7 - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 11:52 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:So you prefer to ignore the footage of the 'poor old man' hitting a cop or two from behind, prior to being on the ground?(03-03-2022, 10:27 AM)Magoo Wrote: problem is CT we all saw it unfold. your post is full of lies, you are a liar.Were you there?
you have seen what you want to see.
are you part of that group of morons that thought this occupation was a 'success'.
do you think the rest of the public were behind you?
it wasnt and we arent, we see the protesters for the filthy scumbags they and their supporters are.
they dont represent my freedoms, the wankers. bunch of pissant losers.
as for the 'communism' bit, you are pushing the boat out on displaying how deluded you are
thank you police, awesome job.
Did you watch the livestreams from protesters phones?
Didnt you watch the video of that poor old man falling to the ground? Dont even think about defending the Police actions. There is no excuse for that.
I doubt it. Dont believe the narrative the MSM is telling you. Its all lies.
There are 2 sides to every story and Jacinda doesnt want you to hear the other side.
Here is some facts.
ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
As to the 'other side' of this, sadly the facts are being deliberately distorted by some among the protesters for reasons best known to themselves.
RE: Protesters being moved - C_T_Russell - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 11:40 AM)Oldfellah Wrote: C_T_RussellThose ones you saw fighting were not the main groups of protesters.
A peaceful protest you say, you need to stop looking through rose coloured glasses, the footage I saw was a whole load of hooligans just busting for a fight and the police defending themselves. you say will police be made to pay for the playground which they destroyed of which I dont believe for a minute, BUT will the protesters be paying for all the damage they have caused over the last 3 weeks? You harp on about freedoms but that feral rabble didnt give a shit about causing havoc and disrupting everybody elses freedoms did they? Wankers like you make me want to puke, today I lost my respect for you , goodbye and dont come back in here again!!
The biggest group was voices for freedom and many of them left once warned by the police, there are always going to be troublemakers at any protest.
In fact, the organizers had their own security rounding up troublemakers and handing them to the police, but they did nothing and just let them go.
Dont you worry, there is plenty of evidence of the playground catching fire and how it started, it was a generator that police kicked over and caught fire. Its all on video. I believe that the police have already been handed the footage. Lots of eye witnesses there too.
The protest groups such as voices for freedom were saying on their livestreams that they were going to help clean up afterwards and replant the grass and wash off the writing with chalk etc after it had finished.
I highly doubt you were watching any of their livestreams, but they were very civilised and were trying to set a good example.
Even the police were getting on OK in the beginning and handing out candy to children to begin with.
The fact is the police now got their freedoms and mandates are now removed. Same cant be said for the rest of us.
Thats a double standard and hypocritical.
Watch this.
From TVNZ themselves. Interview with Marama Fox.
https://www.facebook.com/clyde.graf/posts/5196547143723914
ANTIFA to blame
(03-03-2022, 12:48 PM)ObeWan Wrote: Sadly this is just the misinformation, conspiracy theories and bullshit being promoted by a bunch of loonie tin foil hatter morons who believe any wild theory posted by equally unhinged idiots.People arrived in balaclavas and caused havoc, setting things to fire.
I have little doubt that the Mongrel Mob were involved but Antifa?
Just another graduate of the Shit for Brains University.
I would say we will be battling this sort of garbage for years sadly.
This article on The Spinoff narrates how the misinformation about the fire started and spread despite the facts being shown in detail.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-03-2022/when-misinformation-spreads-like-fire
Then they up and left, some of the protesters ripped off their masks and got their faces filmed on camera.
The police will have it by now.
(03-03-2022, 01:13 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:He didnt hit the cop, dont spread BS, you were not there.(03-03-2022, 11:52 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Were you there?So you prefer to ignore the footage of the 'poor old man' hitting a cop or two from behind, prior to being on the ground?
Did you watch the livestreams from protesters phones?
Didnt you watch the video of that poor old man falling to the ground? Dont even think about defending the Police actions. There is no excuse for that.
I doubt it. Dont believe the narrative the MSM is telling you. Its all lies.
There are 2 sides to every story and Jacinda doesnt want you to hear the other side.
Here is some facts.
ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
As to the 'other side' of this, sadly the facts are being deliberately distorted by some among the protesters for reasons best known to themselves.
(03-03-2022, 12:15 PM)Praktica Wrote:BS, prove to me its fake?(03-03-2022, 11:52 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: ANTIFA was involved in these riots, the evidence can be found on their facebook page. (i didnt even know ANTIFA had a NZ presence!)Bullshit - the facebook page is a fake, and here you are spreading lies again. Take yourself off to where gullible idiots might believe you.
They have been caught on video arriving wearing balaclavas and setting fire to things.
But the MSM dont want you to know this! We are on a slippery slope to censorship in the media much like Russia, then it will be too late. Wake up NZ!
They have since taken down all their posts from 2019 onwards, but its all screenshotted.
https://www.facebook.com/AntifaNZ/
RE: Protesters being moved - harm_less - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 10:07 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: How disgusting to watch all this unfold yesterday!Your post is full of false claims and misinformation. I will counter it but won't be surprised if another of the moderators deletes it.
What was a peaceful protest turned into violence thanks to the police.
Here they beat up an old man and he falls to the ground, he was just trying to protect a lady.
https://www.facebook.com/dailyexaminernz/posts/129468239602784
The police overturned a generator that was running and it caught fire, burning the playground down.
The hypocrisy is out of this world THE POLICE GOT THEIR WAY AND GOT RID OF THEIR MANDATES.
Why do the unvaxxed police get to have their jobs back, nut no one else does?
How is that OK please tell me? Will the police be the ones paying for the damage to the playground they caused?
(video footage exists)
Then communist starlinda tells a bunch of lies on the news last night how the protesters got violent.
No they didnt, anyone that was down there saw what went down.
Now what a mess that needs cleaning up, the protesters promised they would tidy everything up afterwards, not going to happen now with the way they have been treated.
The police created this mess, not the protesters.
Pepper spray was used on peaceful protesters standing their ground for our freedoms.
Today i lost my respect for the police.
Sad day for democracy, win for communism.
How do you explain video footage such as these?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499179362427740161
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499172813910921217
RE: Protesters being moved - ObeWan - 03-03-2022
You do realise that it is highly unlikely, in fact almost impossible, for a generator to catch fire even if it was to tip over?
Video shows the fire had started whilst the Police were well back from the area, likewise the playground slide was alight and damaged before the Police got to that area.
There are equally just as many eye witnesses who refute your twisted version.
Interesting that the Picton protesters are leaving voluntarily because they were disgusted by the behaviour of the Wellington occupiers, they can see it even if you cannot.
RE: Protesters being moved - Magoo - 03-03-2022
there is no spin ct can put on this that makes it right.
they were illegal occupiers, they were antisocial abusive ferals
they represent no one, they have no voice.
no voice, no respect, no goodwill, just a disaffected bunch of crybabys.
RE: Protesters being moved - Lilith7 - 03-03-2022
'Voices for freedom.'
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-03-2022/giving-a-voice-to-voices-for-freedom
"There has been a consistent division in protest descriptions from the beginning. Those within the protest claim itÔÇÖs all peace and love, with live music and morning yoga. Most interacting with the protest from the outside, particularly journalists and anyone wearing a mask, have reported verbal and physical abuse, threats and intimidation.
At an event originally presented as anti-mandate, it has become increasingly apparent that Voices for Freedom and most everyone protesting alongside them is anti-vaccine, as well as dabbling (at the very least) in conspiracy theories. There has been an abundance of accusations of conspiracy, cover-ups, government control and more towards the media from protesters.
The pamphlets described as ÔÇ£questioning the effectiveness of vaccinesÔÇØ are the same deemed ÔÇ£socially irresponsibleÔÇØ and ÔÇ£misleadingÔÇØ by the ASA and thoroughly debunked by scientists and health professionals around the country."
Some dissension within the 'freedom groups'
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/billy-te-kahika-sows-discord-among-covid-19-freedom-groups-as-he-lashes-out-at-brian-tamaki-voices-for-freedom.html
"In a half-hour-long video that took aim at several groups, Te Kahika said this is what happened at the November 9 protest and described it as "disgraceful".
He went on to accuse Tamaki of manipulating "concerned, distressed and angry people" and exploiting the success of TFRC protests to recruit members to Destiny Church, the church he founded and leads.
"The Freedom and Rights Coalition have come along, and of course they're promoting Brian [Tamaki] as the only guy who's ever stood up and spoke up," Te Kahika said.
"Well the reality of it is, I wasn't the first - but I was way before Brian."
RE: Protesters being moved - C_T_Russell - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 10:27 AM)Magoo Wrote: problem is CT we all saw it unfold. your post is full of lies, you are a liar.I saw it unfold too, was watching many livestreams from different angles.
you have seen what you want to see.
are you part of that group of morons that thought this occupation was a 'success'.
The occupation is a moderate success, especially for the police who got their freedoms and jobs back.
No mandates now for the cops. Double standards sorry.
So thats a partial win, and politicians such as David Seymour and Winston Peters have spoke up in support.
We seem to be hearing talks now of restrictions being lifted.
[Removed: Rule 2H]
I have a friend who got blood clots from it and they are still forcing her to have her second shot in a controlled environment in hospital. WTF?
Why is there so much urgency to get every last person jabbed, even those that have suffered a side effect?