(07-02-2022, 03:26 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 02:54 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: We can't save everyone.  Would be nice if we could  but we cant.  You could say we could ban all cars as they kill 380 people to year -  many of those deaths preventable.

I know how to lower the road toll. Fast.  Shoot all drunk drivers.

(07-02-2022, 03:07 PM)king1 Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 02:54 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: We can't save everyone.  Would be nice if we could  but we cant.  You could say we could ban all cars as they kill 380 people to year -  many of those deaths preventable.

maybe, but we shouldn't allow people to die unnecessarily either.

(07-02-2022, 03:46 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

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(07-02-2022, 03:07 PM)king1 Wrote: maybe, but we shouldn't allow people to die unnecessarily either.

Yet every year we do.  What is the difference if it is from driving, drowning, hiking, biking?

(07-02-2022, 04:02 PM)king1 Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 03:46 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

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Yet every year we do.  What is the difference if it is from driving, drowning, hiking, biking?

these people are presumably taking on the risk of their activities themselves.  You are advocating imposing the increased risk on society by loosening covid restrictions

(07-02-2022, 04:25 PM)Praktica Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 04:02 PM)king1 Wrote: these people are presumably taking on the risk of their activities themselves.  You are advocating imposing the increased risk on society by loosening covid restrictions

Standard rightwing practice - privatise profit, and socialise risk (and its costs).

(07-02-2022, 04:35 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 04:25 PM)Praktica Wrote: Standard rightwing practice - privatise profit, and socialise risk (and its costs).

Standard leftwing tactic - socialise everything and have  no profit

(07-02-2022, 03:46 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 03:26 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I know how to lower the road toll. Fast.  Shoot all drunk drivers.

While drunk drivers are a portion of road deaths, a rapidly shrinking portion, the main factors now are speed and inattention/distractions combined with failure to wear seat belts.  Perhaps we should shoot all them too?

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(07-02-2022, 03:07 PM)king1 Wrote: maybe, but we shouldn't allow people to die unnecessarily either.

Yet every year we do.  What is the difference if it is from driving, drowning, hiking, biking?

(07-02-2022, 06:12 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: I've no idea why some on the right politically often assume that if you're even slightly left, then you 'must want to socialise everything, & have no profit' when they have the very clear example of how very successful a mixture of both socialism & capitalism can be in some of the Nordic countries, whose populations often feature at the top of those 'happiest people' surveys.

Those who do so appear to think anything even slightly left equates to the old USSR.

(07-02-2022, 05:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: People living good lives IS PROFIT!

That is the bit so many people miss...

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(07-02-2022, 03:46 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: While drunk drivers are a portion of road deaths, a rapidly shrinking portion, the main factors now are speed and inattention/distractions combined with failure to wear seat belts.  Perhaps we should shoot all them too?

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Yet every year we do.  What is the difference if it is from driving, drowning, hiking, biking?

The cost of each road death, each premature 'accidental' death is in the millions.
You'd think a Nat like you would be appalled by such unnecessary cost and loss of productivity...

(07-02-2022, 08:40 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 06:12 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: I've no idea why some on the right politically often assume that if you're even slightly left, then you 'must want to socialise everything, & have no profit' when they have the very clear example of how very successful a mixture of both socialism & capitalism can be in some of the Nordic countries, whose populations often feature at the top of those 'happiest people' surveys.

Those who do so appear to think anything even slightly left equates to the old USSR.

And some of the highest taxes as well.  Not to mention the oil and gas they have as well - something this government pissed away on a "captains call".

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(07-02-2022, 05:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: People living good lives IS PROFIT!

That is the bit so many people miss...

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The cost of each road death, each premature 'accidental' death is in the millions.
You'd think a Nat like you would be appalled by such unnecessary cost and loss of productivity...

Yes so why don't we ban cars?  Boats too - people drown.

(07-02-2022, 09:15 PM)Magoo Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 08:40 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: And some of the highest taxes as well.  Not to mention the oil and gas they have as well - something this government pissed away on a "captains call".

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Yes so why don't we ban cars?  Boats too - people drown.

oi..careful with that boat talk

(08-02-2022, 06:15 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 09:15 PM)Magoo Wrote: oi..careful with that boat talk

Ah so you are part of the problem.

(08-02-2022, 07:13 AM)Magoo Wrote:

(08-02-2022, 06:15 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Ah so you are part of the problem.

not yet

(07-02-2022, 08:40 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 06:12 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: I've no idea why some on the right politically often assume that if you're even slightly left, then you 'must want to socialise everything, & have no profit' when they have the very clear example of how very successful a mixture of both socialism & capitalism can be in some of the Nordic countries, whose populations often feature at the top of those 'happiest people' surveys.

Those who do so appear to think anything even slightly left equates to the old USSR.

And some of the highest taxes as well.  Not to mention the oil and gas they have as well - something this government pissed away on a "captains call".

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(07-02-2022, 05:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: People living good lives IS PROFIT!

That is the bit so many people miss...

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The cost of each road death, each premature 'accidental' death is in the millions.
You'd think a Nat like you would be appalled by such unnecessary cost and loss of productivity...

Yes so why don't we ban cars?  Boats too - people drown.

(08-02-2022, 10:42 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(07-02-2022, 08:40 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: And some of the highest taxes as well.  Not to mention the oil and gas they have as well - something this government pissed away on a "captains call".

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Yes so why don't we ban cars?  Boats too - people drown.

Yes they do indeed have some of the highest taxes - & yet, they're also the world's happiest people.
Which leads to the strong probability that removing the stress of providing medical & education needs for their families works extremely well - & since stress can affect health, its probably also a health benefit as well.

(08-02-2022, 03:00 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:

(08-02-2022, 10:42 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: Yes they do indeed have some of the highest taxes - & yet, they're also the world's happiest people.
Which leads to the strong probability that removing the stress of providing medical & education needs for their families works extremely well - & since stress can affect health, its probably also a health benefit as well.

You ignore that they also have significant oil and gas reserves, are part of a massive economic block all within a few thousand KM and their major exports aren't farming products and tourism.  But hey based on what you said let's slap the top rate to 60% and we should all then be happy.